[Ovmsdev] Kia Soul EV version 0.2 problems

Sat Nov 7 00:11:53 HKT 2015

Robert,

I don't know about the 12V battery system on the Kia -- if the aux
battery is small, the OVMS may have brought the battery down.

> ground connection soldered to a couple pins
=> you could also check your soldering.

The OVMS App displays the supply voltage on the vehicle info page, and
you can request it using the text command "DIAG".

Btw: the current Android App allows to send text commands from the
notifications page.

Regards,
Michael

Am 05.11.2015 um 03:20 schrieb Robert Cotran:
> Hi guys,
>
> So I just went out to the car to turn it on with the OVMS module
> connected to see if that made a difference. As soon as I did so, a
> cooling fan came on at the front of the vehicle and the dashboard lit
> up with flashing lights and the message "Check vehicle EV system", and
> something like "Stop driving and verify power supply".  Worried that
> it was the OVMS causing that, I unplugged the OBDII plug and as soon
> as I did so, everything went back to normal.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:58 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> My guess is that the car needs to be on (at least for a period of
>> time) in order to get the data from OBDII. Once the car is turned
>> off, the module should continue to know the last values, but the car
>> probably needs to be turned on at some stage.
>>
>> Regards, Mark.
>>
>>> On 5 Nov, 2015, at 6:46 am, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> So I have the smartphone app connecting to "the car" and getting
>>> very limited info.  So far I can get the location of the car and the
>>> OVMS firmware version as 2.8.1/KS0.2/V2.  I also get the GPS location.
>>>
>>> However, I'm not getting any car specific information such as VIN
>>> (yes I sent the FEATURE 15 1 command), or state of charge.  Could
>>> that be a problem with the OVMS firmware that Michael and Geir
>>> wrote, or is it something else?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that this works with the car completely off right?  The
>>> OBDII port definitely gets power, but I don't know if there is any
>>> other network traffic when it's off.
>>>
>>> Is there a way for me to tap into the tmc.openvehicles.com
>>> <http://tmc.openvehicles.com> server with an API or something to see
>>> the raw information the modules are sending it?  How often do the
>>> modules update the server?
>>>
>>> Thanks, and sorry for all the noob questions.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 5:23 PM, Robert Cotran wrote:
>>>> I'm up and running!
>>>>
>>>> The power is to the module is now stable, and I went out and got a
>>>> Rogers SIM (not a Bell SIM -- attention Canadians, Bell SIMs do NOT
>>>> work), and I can talk to the car finally.
>>>>
>>>> PHEW!
>>>>
>>>> I got a data-only plan so SMSes are 15c each, so I really want to
>>>> figure out how to get data (GPRS) communications working in an ad
>>>> hoc way because I can't rely on text messages -- too expensive. 
>>>> I'll do some reading about that.
>>>>
>>>> Then I'll start testing out the Kia Soul EV specific functionality.
>>>>
>>>> Woohoo!  this is awesome!
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> On 11/3/2015 2:48 PM, Robert Cotran wrote:
>>>>> OK so I had/have two problems:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) the OVMS board had a bad connection on the ground input, so
>>>>> power wasn't getting to the board properly hence the weird
>>>>> flashing lights.  We fixed that with a more solid ground
>>>>> connection soldered to a couple pins.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) the SIM card I'm using does NOT work with the board.  I hooked
>>>>> up the diag port and it says "NOT INSERTED" for CPIN.  With
>>>>> another cellular provider's SIM, it did work.  So now I have to
>>>>> find a way to get this happening.  I can only get cheap data with
>>>>> my current provider, so I'm going to hunt for an old SIM that
>>>>> might work.
>>>>>
>>>>> So things are on pause until I'm able to do that...
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/2/2015 8:22 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> About 200mA would be safest. A bench 12V power supply is fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards, Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Nov 2015, at 9:20 PM, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will definitely hook up to the diag port.  I do have a
>>>>>>> USB-serial cable.  Thanks for that suggestion!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if one can power the unit "on a bench" using a
>>>>>>> 12V adapter?  I read that the OBDII port only gives out a max of
>>>>>>> 100mA, is that true?  If it is true, a small 12V adapter should
>>>>>>> be fine...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 9:25 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>> The other thing to suggest is if you have a USB-serial cable
>>>>>>>> and a laptop, you can plug into the DIAG port at 9600baud, and
>>>>>>>> have a look at the messages from the modem. That should tell
>>>>>>>> you exactly what is going on. But if you count the blinks, and
>>>>>>>> they go 10 then 9 then reset then 10 then 9, it is most likely
>>>>>>>> the SIM connection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2 Nov, 2015, at 4:59 am, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all again,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm really not having any luck here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've tried three different SIM cards now, and they all do
>>>>>>>>> exactly the same thing.  I haven't read anywhere about the red
>>>>>>>>> and green lights being on simultaneously and flashing like
>>>>>>>>> crazy so I'm really starting to suspect that the hardware is
>>>>>>>>> defective.  I wish I had another kit lying around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The kit I have is from my friend but it's brand new, it has
>>>>>>>>> never been used in a car before.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if I should just order another kit to see if the
>>>>>>>>> same thing happens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did have a question.  If I simply power the OBDII port on
>>>>>>>>> the kit with 12V, should it power up normally?  I could test
>>>>>>>>> that...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Geir, my car is in Canada, so I don't have UVO services
>>>>>>>>> unfortunately, hence the reason I'd really like to get this
>>>>>>>>> going!  I'm on the KIA Soul EV forums, and once I have this
>>>>>>>>> working, I'll try to rope in someone in the US who would be
>>>>>>>>> willing to monitor their CAN Bus so we can snoop and try to
>>>>>>>>> copy the HVAC calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 12:09 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> green 8 + red 4 = SIM lock... I don't know how a phone could
>>>>>>>>>> use a locked SIM for data, but just try setting and again
>>>>>>>>>> removing the SIM lock with the SIM toolkit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some (very few) SIMs just don't work in the OVMS, it's
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely you stumbled across two of them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I once had the effect of a flash process that failed without
>>>>>>>>>> any error output, so you also should try re-flashing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course the hardware can be broken too, i.e. bad SIM slot
>>>>>>>>>> soldering causing data errors or bad antenna connection. As
>>>>>>>>>> your module has been used before (I assume?) that's quite
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 17:40 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried the SIM card in a cell phone.  Worked perfectly, got
>>>>>>>>>>> data connection and was able to download data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt it's locked, it's brand new.  The phone didn't ask
>>>>>>>>>>> me for a code.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I verified the antennas are plugged correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can the OVMS kit be defective?  Does that happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could the KIA firmware specifically have caused an issue? 
>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, Geir has it working no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 10:48 AM, Michael Jochum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> have you tried the SIM Card in an Cell Phone? Did this work?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Card locked with a Pin code? OVMS can't handle PIN
>>>>>>>>>>>> locked cards.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you connect the Antennas to their right plugs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 16:13 schrieb Robert Cotran
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <robert at cotran.ca>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to see that it looks like development of the Kia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soul EV firmware is going to continue, thanks to Micheal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Geir!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went out and bought a dedicated SIM for the OVMS kit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday and flashed the OVMS with 0.2 of the Kia Soul
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firmware and I flashed the EEPROM as well since this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new installation and there's nothing on the kit yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's still not working unfortunately.  When I plug it into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the car, the red LED comes on for a few seconds, then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> red and green flash a bit, and then they both stay off for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 10-15 seconds, then the green flashes 10 times, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9 times, then I think 8 or 9 times, and then the red LED
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashes a few times while the green is flashing, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then both start to flash on and off extremely fast, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fast that it looks like they are both on solid.  They stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this for about 7 or 8 seconds, and then it starts all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over again from the 10, 9 on green.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've followed the Roadster guide to getting this up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running, I've cleaned the SIM contacts and I've tried two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different SIM cards, so I'm a bit lost as to what I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2015 5:20 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Robert :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basic setup of the Kia firmware is the same as for other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models. So you can follow the Roadster guide or one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Twizy guides first.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You wrote to me you got the module from a friend, so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should first flash once without preserving EEPROM to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a clean config to start with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow Marks link to the support FAQ if you get stuck in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the config process. To diag LED flash codes, also take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at the state machine diagram in the main docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. If you need help, describe exactly (!) which doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've been following and what you have done so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're stuck at 10/9... maybe you should first check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the SIM card has contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kia V0.1 only reads some first status messages and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtains the VIN if you enable CAN write access (FEATURE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 1). I've currently got one positive and one negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test feedback for this version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be great if you could also check V0.2 -- it's in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account on github:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...hex:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dexters-web.de/f/kiasoul/OVMS-KiaSoul-0.2.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This _should_ be able to show some first OBD diag data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumps (DEBUG 1 / 5)... as I don't have a Kia, I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified beta test feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 31.10.2015 um 14:16 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm replying to Micheal Balzer's email from yesterday. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't on the mailing list until late yesterday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afternoon, hence I'm not able to click reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a Kia Soul EV 2016 in Canada which doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UVO services, so this is of great interest to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the OVMS kit in front of me, but I'm a total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie, so I'm reading through some guides to get started.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to say that I'll gladly be the guinea pig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'd REALLY like is to have a way to remotely turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the climate control system to warm up/cool down the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car at will. Hopefully that's a remote possibility. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tracking it is cool, but controlling it is even better. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to a Tesla (my other car), so I am quite spoiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did get Micheal's firmware installed on the OVMS and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hooked it up to the car but it's not booting properly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (based on status LEDs).  Can that be because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firmware or is the bootup sequence separate from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car-control code?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The LEDs flash like - 10 Green, 9 Green, 10 Green, 9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green, then a few reds, then green and red flash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together really fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried sending text messages to the board and no dice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated, looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting this working!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
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