Hi Greg, Thanks for the not-so-uplifting answer :-D I was thinking of using it to display speed, SOC and ideal-range while driving, and maybe something else when the car is charging, like using the speed part to show charge speed in kw. The Kia Soul displays the SOC in precent only in the EV screen on the navigation unit, so it would be nice to see it in the HUD. I hope it is easier to fit such a HUD in mye Kia Soul, because I found a cheap HUD yesterday that seems to support 3 digits for all three values. It was really cheap, so no big loss if it won’t work as I intended, but great if it does. https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-8-Digital-Car-GPS-HUD-Head-Up-Display-OBD2-OBDII-... The 3 displayed values seems to be selectable from a list of values, so I hope I would be able to find a PID that is in a range than matches SOC and ideal range. Also I believe many of these HUDS have configurable lower and upper limits for different PIDS/displayed values. Look forward to play with this, and I cross my fingers for it to work 😜 Best regards, Geir

11. jan. 2019 kl. 23:26 skrev Greg D. <gregd2350@gmail.com>:

Hi Geir,

TL;DR: Don't bother.

The one I have was one of a myriad of choices on Amazon, all doing about the same thing. It's a "Head Up Display CAR", model A8 HUD. No manufacturer name, other than "Made in China". I don't actually use it in the car on a regular basis; I got it for the development and testing of the obd2ecu code, along with the "SyncUp Drive" telemetry / HotSpot dongle that I have that started the whole project.

I've tried using the HUD a few times, but I kind of don't recommend it. At least, not this one. The display is too bright to use at night (even though it adjusts to the ambient), and the semi-reflective plastic mirror thing that you're supposed to attach to your window is annoying to use. There's also no place to really put the whole thing in my Roadster, nor really the need, given the already-provided car displays. From the brief survey I did before purchasing the unit, the HUDs in this category only fetch 4 PIDs - speed, RPM, coolant temp, and fuel flow (sort of), with the fuel flow running through a rather opaque transform of Mass Air Flow that isn't very accurate. I did an approximation of the inverse in the OBDII engine, to try to make it somewhat useful, and use it to display SoC. But it's really crude.

One somewhat trivial difference between units that I saw was the number of digits in the display of fuel flow. Mine has 3, many only 2. But the actual result was disappointing, because in spite of the opportunity, the unit caps the display at 19.9, vs 99.9, which would have been useful for SoC. Instead, I have to display SoC/10, and remember what it means.

The unit also has a bunch of well-meaning-but-useless alarms, for example, a reminder to shift when the RPM gets too high. That's set at like 5,000 RPM (on a car that hits it at typical freeway speeds), and when it goes off, it's LOUD. Now disabled, along with a few others. I already have 3 speed indicators in the car (the analog dash speedometer, the digital display on the car VDS, and one on the Audio / Nav unit), and none of them agree with each other. So, I don't really need a HUD to display a fourth, yet different, value.

So, the HUD is on my desk, where it will stay, next to the development OVMSv3 proto unit...

The SyncUp dongle is currently in the car, but it keeps going into sleep mode on its own, for reasons that appear to be separate from the OBDII interface. Since that disables the WiFi hotspot, it's also become effectively useless until I can figure out a way to trick it into staying awake. I think it isn't sensing vibration somehow, which is disturbingly spooky. I can tap it with my finger and it wakes up. What else is it sensing (and reporting back to the mother ship)?

If you want to get and log other stuff via the OBDII interface, get one of the Bluetooth or USB OBDII dongles and a laptop or smartphone with Torque or equivalent software, and do your display or logging from there. If it's just one or two parameters to monitor, then the HUD could be useful if you re-map the 4 requested PIDs to whatever you want to view. Just recall that the display is oriented to the original value's purpose (e.g. the increasing arc for displaying RPM), so your remapping opportunities are rather limited, and not particularly usability-friendly.

So far, the best HUD I have found is to get an old smartphone (sans-SIM), and use it as a wi-fi client to Michael's excellent Dashboard. THAT is useful for display while driving.

All that said, what were you thinking of using the HUD for?

Good luck,

Greg

Geir Øyvind Vælidalo wrote:

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I’m thinking about maybe buying a HUD to connect to OVMS. Do you have any recommendations? Greg, which one do you have?

Best regards, Geir

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Thanks Greg! I’ll let you know how it goes 🙂 Geir

12. jan. 2019 kl. 00:30 skrev Greg D. <gregd2350@gmail.com>:

Hi Geir,

Well, I hope that works for you. Not to disappoint, but the ad copy seems very similar to the unit I have.

Some of the metrics advertised are an accumulation of the four base PIDs (05, 0C, 0D, and 10 hex), not the result of changing the PIDs that are polled for. But obd2ecu allows you to re-map those PIDs to any of the numeric OVMS metrics, or to a script, so hopefully you can craft something that meets your needs.

Let us know how it goes!

Greg

Geir Øyvind Vælidalo wrote:

...

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the not-so-uplifting answer :-D

I was thinking of using it to display speed, SOC and ideal-range while driving, and maybe something else when the car is charging, like using the speed part to show charge speed in kw. The Kia Soul displays the SOC in precent only in the EV screen on the navigation unit, so it would be nice to see it in the HUD.

I hope it is easier to fit such a HUD in mye Kia Soul, because I found a cheap HUD yesterday that seems to support 3 digits for all three values. It was really cheap, so no big loss if it won’t work as I intended, but great if it does.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-8-Digital-Car-GPS-HUD-Head-Up-Display-OBD2-OBDII-... <https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-8-Digital-Car-GPS-HUD-Head-Up-Display-OBD2-OBDII-Speedometer-Warning-Alarm/173462241166?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649>

The 3 displayed values seems to be selectable from a list of values, so I hope I would be able to find a PID that is in a range than matches SOC and ideal range. Also I believe many of these HUDS have configurable lower and upper limits for different PIDS/displayed values.

Look forward to play with this, and I cross my fingers for it to work 😜

Best regards, Geir

...

11. jan. 2019 kl. 23:26 skrev Greg D. <gregd2350@gmail.com <mailto:gregd2350@gmail.com>>:

Hi Geir,

TL;DR: Don't bother.

The one I have was one of a myriad of choices on Amazon, all doing about the same thing. It's a "Head Up Display CAR", model A8 HUD. No manufacturer name, other than "Made in China". I don't actually use it in the car on a regular basis; I got it for the development and testing of the obd2ecu code, along with the "SyncUp Drive" telemetry / HotSpot dongle that I have that started the whole project.

I've tried using the HUD a few times, but I kind of don't recommend it. At least, not this one. The display is too bright to use at night (even though it adjusts to the ambient), and the semi-reflective plastic mirror thing that you're supposed to attach to your window is annoying to use. There's also no place to really put the whole thing in my Roadster, nor really the need, given the already-provided car displays. From the brief survey I did before purchasing the unit, the HUDs in this category only fetch 4 PIDs - speed, RPM, coolant temp, and fuel flow (sort of), with the fuel flow running through a rather opaque transform of Mass Air Flow that isn't very accurate. I did an approximation of the inverse in the OBDII engine, to try to make it somewhat useful, and use it to display SoC. But it's really crude.

One somewhat trivial difference between units that I saw was the number of digits in the display of fuel flow. Mine has 3, many only 2. But the actual result was disappointing, because in spite of the opportunity, the unit caps the display at 19.9, vs 99.9, which would have been useful for SoC. Instead, I have to display SoC/10, and remember what it means.

The unit also has a bunch of well-meaning-but-useless alarms, for example, a reminder to shift when the RPM gets too high. That's set at like 5,000 RPM (on a car that hits it at typical freeway speeds), and when it goes off, it's LOUD. Now disabled, along with a few others. I already have 3 speed indicators in the car (the analog dash speedometer, the digital display on the car VDS, and one on the Audio / Nav unit), and none of them agree with each other. So, I don't really need a HUD to display a fourth, yet different, value.

So, the HUD is on my desk, where it will stay, next to the development OVMSv3 proto unit...

The SyncUp dongle is currently in the car, but it keeps going into sleep mode on its own, for reasons that appear to be separate from the OBDII interface. Since that disables the WiFi hotspot, it's also become effectively useless until I can figure out a way to trick it into staying awake. I think it isn't sensing vibration somehow, which is disturbingly spooky. I can tap it with my finger and it wakes up. What else is it sensing (and reporting back to the mother ship)?

If you want to get and log other stuff via the OBDII interface, get one of the Bluetooth or USB OBDII dongles and a laptop or smartphone with Torque or equivalent software, and do your display or logging from there. If it's just one or two parameters to monitor, then the HUD could be useful if you re-map the 4 requested PIDs to whatever you want to view. Just recall that the display is oriented to the original value's purpose (e.g. the increasing arc for displaying RPM), so your remapping opportunities are rather limited, and not particularly usability-friendly.

So far, the best HUD I have found is to get an old smartphone (sans-SIM), and use it as a wi-fi client to Michael's excellent Dashboard. THAT is useful for display while driving.

All that said, what were you thinking of using the HUD for?

Good luck,

Greg

Geir Øyvind Vælidalo wrote:

...

I’m thinking about maybe buying a HUD to connect to OVMS. Do you have any recommendations? Greg, which one do you have?

Best regards, Geir

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