I have, for my 2019 Kona Electric, the maps of the whole CAN bus network, pinouts of connectors and schematics of the wiring on PDF, these can all be found at service.hyundai-motor (dot) com, when accessed from Europe, the access costs 15€ for 24h or 60€ for a whole week, it's all official service manual info and much more for independent repair shops. I also have a couple of contactless CAN bus readers plus the direct connection to D-CAN through the OBD. My car only has the 8inch Standard Navi without the mobile data connection, but from the info I have gathered the only CAN bus connected to the larger "conected" navi is the same M-CAN that the standard version has, so the remote AC control should be possible, through M-CAN. I was thinking to connect the contactless readers to my logic analyzer plus one channel to a button to act as a marker, and record a known sequence of events, marking each event start with the button for easier searching. I also have access to 100kW DC fast chargers and 22kW AC chargers, including their CAN data when I have my car charging. Oscar
On 1 Feb 2023, at 18:10, Christos Oscar Kambiselis <ckambiselis@gmail.com> wrote:
…My car only has the 8inch Standard Navi without the mobile data connection, but from the info I have gathered the only CAN bus connected to the larger "conected" navi is the same M-CAN that the standard version has, so the remote AC control should be possible, through M-CAN. … Oscar
Hi, I published a few things here a while back : https://gitlab.com/g4933/wideopen/-/wikis/Unit/Pinouts Not all busses arrive at the head unit but somehow, the controller manages to talk to most of the car (it has a multibus Renesas cpu that talks to the Android or Linux part of the entertainment system, which can carry out some level of diagnostics and retrieve DTCs… so there’s some black magic going on) I made a a harness to be able to grab all busses from behind the IGMP block, but well, that’s open heart surgery and I still need my car if anything goes haywire :) I’ll really have to spend time sniffing it one day :) JaXX./.
On 1 Feb 2023, at 17:09, Christos Oscar Kambiselis <ckambiselis@gmail.com> wrote:
I have, for my 2019 Kona Electric, the maps of the whole CAN bus network, pinouts of connectors and schematics of the wiring on PDF, these can all be found at service.hyundai-motor (dot) com, when accessed from Europe, the access costs 15€ for 24h or 60€ for a whole week, it's all official service manual info and much more for independent repair shops. I also have a couple of contactless CAN bus readers plus the direct connection to D-CAN through the OBD. My car only has the 8inch Standard Navi without the mobile data connection, but from the info I have gathered the only CAN bus connected to the larger "conected" navi is the same M-CAN that the standard version has, so the remote AC control should be possible, through M-CAN.
I’ve also got an early Kona :-) Last time I took a look at the service site it only contained hardware details … so no PID details
I was thinking to connect the contactless readers to my logic analyzer plus one channel to a button to act as a marker, and record a known sequence of events, marking each event start with the button for easier searching. I also have access to 100kW DC fast chargers and 22kW AC chargers, including their CAN data when I have my car charging.
Okay, that sounds like it would be useful :-) --- Peter Lord <mailto:peter@plord.co.uk> <https://signal.me/#p/+447867970260> <https://telegram.me/PeterLord> <https://github.com/plord12> <imessage://peter@plord.co.uk>
Also forgot to say that since I don't want to damage any of the original cables I am looking to make a Y-cable for the connector where all the CAN busses connect to the gateway, the connector is made by KUM (a Korean manufacturer who's website I can't reach), and who's connectors don't seem to be distributed by any of the bigger distributors I usually buy parts from (Mouser, Digikey, Farnel, TME, Elfa Distrelec) and can't even find them on Aliexpress, I did find a Chinese manufacturer on Alibaba that makes a clone but their minimum order is 200pcs 3$/pcs. I also found a Bulgarian connector and wire harness distributor that has the originals and I'm waiting for a quote for 10pcs of male/female, there is also a US based surplus connector seller that sells them for 20$ a piece which is absurd. The part names are HSC16M-W(GY) ASSY and HSC16F-W(GY) ASSY but the part numbers are HK111-16011 and HK115-16011, and the pins are TK101-00110 and TK105-00110. Oscar On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:29 PM Peter Lord <peter@plord.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb 2023, at 17:09, Christos Oscar Kambiselis <ckambiselis@gmail.com> wrote:
I have, for my 2019 Kona Electric, the maps of the whole CAN bus network, pinouts of connectors and schematics of the wiring on PDF, these can all be found at service.hyundai-motor (dot) com, when accessed from Europe, the access costs 15€ for 24h or 60€ for a whole week, it's all official service manual info and much more for independent repair shops. I also have a couple of contactless CAN bus readers plus the direct connection to D-CAN through the OBD. My car only has the 8inch Standard Navi without the mobile data connection, but from the info I have gathered the only CAN bus connected to the larger "conected" navi is the same M-CAN that the standard version has, so the remote AC control should be possible, through M-CAN.
I’ve also got an early Kona :-)
Last time I took a look at the service site it only contained hardware details … so no PID details
I was thinking to connect the contactless readers to my logic analyzer plus one channel to a button to act as a marker, and record a known sequence of events, marking each event start with the button for easier searching. I also have access to 100kW DC fast chargers and 22kW AC chargers, including their CAN data when I have my car charging.
Okay, that sounds like it would be useful :-)
--- Peter Lord
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Some good news, after getting a minimum quantity quote of 100pcs from the Bulgarian distributor, I asked the Alibaba manufacturer for a 10pcs set of housings and 200 pins of each, and was actually very helpful, just quoted me a bit extra per piece. I got the connectors the other day and I'm now testing what would be the max double wire size to crimp to the pins without a problem, seems to be around 0.14-0,25mm2., I also got some AMP Multilock automotive connectors for the OVMS side of the Y cable, So it's easier to change to another CAN bus, instead of crimping a D-Sub cable directly. So if any dev in Europe with a Kona is interested, send me a message. Oscar On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:34 PM Christos Oscar Kambiselis < ckambiselis@gmail.com> wrote:
Also forgot to say that since I don't want to damage any of the original cables I am looking to make a Y-cable for the connector where all the CAN busses connect to the gateway, the connector is made by KUM (a Korean manufacturer who's website I can't reach), and who's connectors don't seem to be distributed by any of the bigger distributors I usually buy parts from (Mouser, Digikey, Farnel, TME, Elfa Distrelec) and can't even find them on Aliexpress, I did find a Chinese manufacturer on Alibaba that makes a clone but their minimum order is 200pcs 3$/pcs.
I also found a Bulgarian connector and wire harness distributor that has the originals and I'm waiting for a quote for 10pcs of male/female, there is also a US based surplus connector seller that sells them for 20$ a piece which is absurd.
The part names are HSC16M-W(GY) ASSY and HSC16F-W(GY) ASSY but the part numbers are HK111-16011 and HK115-16011, and the pins are TK101-00110 and TK105-00110.
Oscar
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:29 PM Peter Lord <peter@plord.co.uk> wrote:
On 1 Feb 2023, at 17:09, Christos Oscar Kambiselis <ckambiselis@gmail.com> wrote:
I have, for my 2019 Kona Electric, the maps of the whole CAN bus network, pinouts of connectors and schematics of the wiring on PDF, these can all be found at service.hyundai-motor (dot) com, when accessed from Europe, the access costs 15€ for 24h or 60€ for a whole week, it's all official service manual info and much more for independent repair shops. I also have a couple of contactless CAN bus readers plus the direct connection to D-CAN through the OBD. My car only has the 8inch Standard Navi without the mobile data connection, but from the info I have gathered the only CAN bus connected to the larger "conected" navi is the same M-CAN that the standard version has, so the remote AC control should be possible, through M-CAN.
I’ve also got an early Kona :-)
Last time I took a look at the service site it only contained hardware details … so no PID details
I was thinking to connect the contactless readers to my logic analyzer plus one channel to a button to act as a marker, and record a known sequence of events, marking each event start with the button for easier searching. I also have access to 100kW DC fast chargers and 22kW AC chargers, including their CAN data when I have my car charging.
Okay, that sounds like it would be useful :-)
--- Peter Lord
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