Hi, In case anyone is interested, my problem with sending to the list from gmail is actually like so: - I send to the list - it's actually delivered to the mail expander fine. - Expander sends the mail back to me (and presumably to everyone else) - Gmail decides this incoming mail is suspicious. That's fair since it has a gmail message id and comes from my own email address. - GMail quarantines the inbound message - But Gmail quarantine admin page shows this quarantined mail as "Outbound". That is wrong, it's actually inbound. Cue lots of confusion. Seems to fix I need to whitelist the mailman 175.45.17.210 address in my gmail advanced setup. Holding thumbs. Steve