EMC / CE certificate + Fasttech SimpleConsole?
Hi everyone, the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here. Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries). Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate. I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties. Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test... Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this? Regards, Michael -- Michael Balzer * Paradestr. 8 * D-42107 Wuppertal Fon 0202 / 272 2201 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
Regarding EMC CE: We’ve spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn’t have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can’t be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me. Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run. Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Hi Mark, thanks for the info. Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nicki?)? I spent ~15-20 € for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this? Regards, Michael Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We’ve spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn’t have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can’t be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Hi Mark, thanks for the info. Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)? I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this? Regards, Michael Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We’ve spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn’t have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can’t be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Le 17/02/2014 14:01, Michael Balzer a écrit :
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
No problem for me :) Local re-delivery can go as low as around 5/10€ with tracking (depending on format and/or packaging) supposing it's a bit larger than a very thick letter. Though, I'm pretty sure there could be something better adapted/suited, being not very fragile, wrappable in bubble paper, maybe 2/3€ without tracking. Will give a look to what local post has as adapted solutions.
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky. Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We’ve spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn’t have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can’t be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Hi All, I think this initiative need to get commercial. Getting CE / FCC approved is one part which can be handled basis on order but getting bulk orders for such project is imp. So far as i have been reading the device has been tested in few electric cars. I think we need to take it to next stage of marketing wherein idea and solution is shown on social platform to capture more attention. This can help this project getting funding or even bulk order. I personally have experience of product marketing and development and has been very keenly following the progress. My suggestion to Mark and others is move one step ahead to take this project globally from hobbyist project to proper commercial. Regards, Avesh On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark@webb-johnson.net>wrote:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We've spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn't have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can't be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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an indiegogo, or kickstarter-project? 2014-02-18 9:43 GMT+01:00 Avesh Chauhan <aveshcool@gmail.com>:
Hi All,
I think this initiative need to get commercial. Getting CE / FCC approved is one part which can be handled basis on order but getting bulk orders for such project is imp. So far as i have been reading the device has been tested in few electric cars. I think we need to take it to next stage of marketing wherein idea and solution is shown on social platform to capture more attention. This can help this project getting funding or even bulk order.
I personally have experience of product marketing and development and has been very keenly following the progress. My suggestion to Mark and others is move one step ahead to take this project globally from hobbyist project to proper commercial.
Regards, Avesh
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark@webb-johnson.net>wrote:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We've spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn't have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can't be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Kick starter or indiegogo can be nice option On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM, J-C Saint-Pô <jcsaintpo@gmail.com> wrote:
an indiegogo, or kickstarter-project?
2014-02-18 9:43 GMT+01:00 Avesh Chauhan <aveshcool@gmail.com>:
Hi All,
I think this initiative need to get commercial. Getting CE / FCC approved is one part which can be handled basis on order but getting bulk orders for such project is imp. So far as i have been reading the device has been tested in few electric cars. I think we need to take it to next stage of marketing wherein idea and solution is shown on social platform to capture more attention. This can help this project getting funding or even bulk order.
I personally have experience of product marketing and development and has been very keenly following the progress. My suggestion to Mark and others is move one step ahead to take this project globally from hobbyist project to proper commercial.
Regards, Avesh
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark@webb-johnson.net
wrote:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
Am 17.02.2014 13:19, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Regarding EMC CE: We've spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn't have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can't be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark. On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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Well, there are just 5 pre-orders from germany up to now, so I'm not that sure we'll even reach the minimum quantity. Anyway, my thought for the product requirements: - It doesn't need to be waterproof -- on an open Twizy it should be put in the glove box while parking anyway, because of vandalism. Even if you leave it mounted, it will only get some rain drops from real bad weather. - The case should be small enough to mount it anywhere using velcro tape. - The buttons should be large enough and provide good feedback for usage with gloves. - The LEDs should IMO be colour coded as in my example build -- but that's maybe my personal taste. Anyway they should be bright and large enough to be visible in normal daylight. - I secure the cable by fixing it with the case covers, but that's really something not suitable for a professional version. A standard (round) cable would also be better than a flat one. Regards, Michael Am 18.02.2014 09:06, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
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Hi guys, I would have replied earlier but I'm very busy with my job. The 3G module issue is interesting, and brings another point to the Mbed that has a library for a USB 3G modem ( http://mbed.org/components/Vodafone-K3770-3G-Modem/). I don't really like that solution, but it's interesting. What is that SimpleConsole you're all talking about? I can't find any info about it in previous mails or in fasttech website... Mark, I'll be in HK/Shenzhen in April to attend this: http://dangerousprototypes.com/hackercampshenzhen/about/ , if you want I'd really like to meet you (and other devs from hk). Contact me in private if you're interested! Regards MG 2014-02-18 13:11 GMT+01:00 Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de>:
Well, there are just 5 pre-orders from germany up to now, so I'm not that sure we'll even reach the minimum quantity.
Anyway, my thought for the product requirements:
- It doesn't need to be waterproof -- on an open Twizy it should be put in the glove box while parking anyway, because of vandalism. Even if you leave it mounted, it will only get some rain drops from real bad weather.
- The case should be small enough to mount it anywhere using velcro tape.
- The buttons should be large enough and provide good feedback for usage with gloves.
- The LEDs should IMO be colour coded as in my example build -- but that's maybe my personal taste. Anyway they should be bright and large enough to be visible in normal daylight.
- I secure the cable by fixing it with the case covers, but that's really something not suitable for a professional version. A standard (round) cable would also be better than a flat one.
Regards, Michael
Am 18.02.2014 09:06, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components
should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
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Hi Mastro, the SimpleConsole is a small box providing just four push buttons and LEDs. It's supported by the Twizy firmware at the moment to switch driving profiles on the fly, but may be useful for other vehicles as well in the future. For details see... https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/raw/master/do... Regards, Michael Am 19.02.2014 12:05, schrieb Mastro Gippo:
Hi guys, I would have replied earlier but I'm very busy with my job. The 3G module issue is interesting, and brings another point to the Mbed that has a library for a USB 3G modem (http://mbed.org/components/Vodafone-K3770-3G-Modem/). I don't really like that solution, but it's interesting. What is that SimpleConsole you're all talking about? I can't find any info about it in previous mails or in fasttech website... Mark, I'll be in HK/Shenzhen in April to attend this: http://dangerousprototypes.com/hackercampshenzhen/about/ , if you want I'd really like to meet you (and other devs from hk). Contact me in private if you're interested! Regards MG
2014-02-18 13:11 GMT+01:00 Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de <mailto:dexter@expeedo.de>>:
Well, there are just 5 pre-orders from germany up to now, so I'm not that sure we'll even reach the minimum quantity.
Anyway, my thought for the product requirements:
- It doesn't need to be waterproof -- on an open Twizy it should be put in the glove box while parking anyway, because of vandalism. Even if you leave it mounted, it will only get some rain drops from real bad weather.
- The case should be small enough to mount it anywhere using velcro tape.
- The buttons should be large enough and provide good feedback for usage with gloves.
- The LEDs should IMO be colour coded as in my example build -- but that's maybe my personal taste. Anyway they should be bright and large enough to be visible in normal daylight.
- I secure the cable by fixing it with the case covers, but that's really something not suitable for a professional version. A standard (round) cable would also be better than a flat one.
Regards, Michael
Am 18.02.2014 09:06, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de <mailto:dexter@expeedo.de>> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
-- Michael Balzer * Paradestr. 8 * D-42107 Wuppertal Fon 0202 / 272 2201 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
I've got only 11 pre-orders up to now, and stalled. So I guess that's about it, not necessary to bother Fasttech. As usual, more talking than doing. Uwe Jöckle (the creator of the Twizplay, also OVMS user and the one who EM-tested the OVMS) currently offers to build SimpleConsoles. His version will use industry components, and being manufactured in small numbers will be priced around 50-60 Euro + shipping. At least 9 of my 11 pre-orders will buy his version as a fallback. Here's some first (german) info on his version: http://www.vectrix-forum.de/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=72&func=view&... He's currently building a prototype and will post results in the forum. If anyone wants to order that version or get more info, please contact Uwe directly: PCS Jöckle - Uwe Jöckle Neubachweg 7 69207 Sandhausen Tel.: 0177-36 36 36 3 Email: webmaster@nachtigaller.de Regards, Michael Am 18.02.2014 13:11, schrieb Michael Balzer:
Well, there are just 5 pre-orders from germany up to now, so I'm not that sure we'll even reach the minimum quantity.
Anyway, my thought for the product requirements:
- It doesn't need to be waterproof -- on an open Twizy it should be put in the glove box while parking anyway, because of vandalism. Even if you leave it mounted, it will only get some rain drops from real bad weather.
- The case should be small enough to mount it anywhere using velcro tape.
- The buttons should be large enough and provide good feedback for usage with gloves.
- The LEDs should IMO be colour coded as in my example build -- but that's maybe my personal taste. Anyway they should be bright and large enough to be visible in normal daylight.
- I secure the cable by fixing it with the case covers, but that's really something not suitable for a professional version. A standard (round) cable would also be better than a flat one.
Regards, Michael
Am 18.02.2014 09:06, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
-- Michael Balzer * Paradestr. 8 * D-42107 Wuppertal Fon 0202 / 272 2201 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
Michael, OK. Sounds good. Please pass on my thanks to Uwe for helping with this. Regards, Mark. On 23 Feb, 2014, at 6:32 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
I've got only 11 pre-orders up to now, and stalled. So I guess that's about it, not necessary to bother Fasttech. As usual, more talking than doing.
Uwe Jöckle (the creator of the Twizplay, also OVMS user and the one who EM-tested the OVMS) currently offers to build SimpleConsoles. His version will use industry components, and being manufactured in small numbers will be priced around 50-60 Euro + shipping. At least 9 of my 11 pre-orders will buy his version as a fallback.
Here's some first (german) info on his version: http://www.vectrix-forum.de/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=72&func=view&...
He's currently building a prototype and will post results in the forum.
If anyone wants to order that version or get more info, please contact Uwe directly:
PCS Jöckle - Uwe Jöckle Neubachweg 7 69207 Sandhausen Tel.: 0177-36 36 36 3 Email: webmaster@nachtigaller.de
Regards, Michael
Am 18.02.2014 13:11, schrieb Michael Balzer:
Well, there are just 5 pre-orders from germany up to now, so I'm not that sure we'll even reach the minimum quantity.
Anyway, my thought for the product requirements:
- It doesn't need to be waterproof -- on an open Twizy it should be put in the glove box while parking anyway, because of vandalism. Even if you leave it mounted, it will only get some rain drops from real bad weather.
- The case should be small enough to mount it anywhere using velcro tape.
- The buttons should be large enough and provide good feedback for usage with gloves.
- The LEDs should IMO be colour coded as in my example build -- but that's maybe my personal taste. Anyway they should be bright and large enough to be visible in normal daylight.
- I secure the cable by fixing it with the case covers, but that's really something not suitable for a professional version. A standard (round) cable would also be better than a flat one.
Regards, Michael
Am 18.02.2014 09:06, schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
I think price will depend largely on quantity. The PCB and components should be very cheap and easy. Main issue will be finding a case and getting it customised for our needs - does it need to be waterproof? Also, the expansion connector on the motherboard and cable arrangements are tricky.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 9:01 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
thanks for the info.
Regarding the SimpleConsole: I'll ask for preorders in the german forum. Maybe someone could collect preorders for France (Julien?) and UK (Nikki?)?
I spent about 15-20 Euro (20-25 US$) for the single parts, can we assume the Fasttech pricing will not exceed this?
Regards, Michael
-- Michael Balzer * Paradestr. 8 * D-42107 Wuppertal Fon 0202 / 272 2201 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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I¹m interested in the possibility of combining OVMS, GEVCU, and other hardware to build enough volume to warrant CE certification. You can sidestep the CE certification while it¹s a hobby¹ product but eventually you must commercialise it in order to sell legally in the EU. If anyone is interested in working on this project then drop me an email; kevin.sharpe@zerocarbonworld.org Kevin Sharpe | Founder & Patron | Zero Carbon World is a UK Registered Charity #1141347 On 17/02/2014 12:19, "Mark Webb-Johnson" <mark@webb-johnson.net> wrote:
Regarding EMC CE: We¹ve spent a lot of time ensuring we follow the standards as close as possible, and use individual certified modules, but bottom line is that currently the unit is a hobbyist kit and doesn¹t have CE certificate. For individual hobbyist use that is fine, but it does mean it can¹t be re-sold as a complete end-user unit within the EU. Because of the active transmitter module (GMS modem) in the unit, getting formal CE certificate would be extremely expensive and just not possible at the quantities we are currently talking about. We have been working with the China guys to see if there is a way around this, and there might be one way which is to use plug-in modules for the active units. Those modules are already CE certified, so then we would only need to certify the non-transmitting base module. As an aside, we are most likely going to have to go down that path anyway, as 2G is getting old and the 3G standards mean we are going to have to use different modules for different countries. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
Regarding the SimpleConsole, I think it really comes down to quantity. It is very easy to make, but we would need to commit to at least 100 units for a production run.
Regards, Mark.
On 17 Feb, 2014, at 7:56 pm, Michael Balzer <dexter@expeedo.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,
the SimpleConsole stirrs up a lot of new requests and interest over here.
Most german users though would like to buy a pre-configured ready-to-use OVMS package for the Twizy (I suppose it's similar for other vehicles and countries).
Unfortunately reselling the OVMS is not legal in the EU, because the hardware lacks the CE / EMC (electromagnetic conformity) certificate.
I am happy with the OVMS staying an explicit hobbyist project, but a CE / EMC certificate would at least make it possible to sell an OVMS package if the user explicitly accepts that there are no warranties.
Is there any chance this could happen? A german hardware developer took the OVMS (V2) to his EMC laboratory, with (his words) disastreous results -- he literally blasted the PIC with some required EM pulse test...
Also, a professional SimpleConsole build from Fasttech would be really cool and helpful. What is required for this?
Regards, Michael
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