Hi all just to "close the case". My Fakra/SMA adapter cable was faulty. An other adapter in an other car seems to work well with the VW antenna and I use a seperate antenna now without any worries. Regards Chris Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Chris van der Meijden:
:-))
Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 16:33 +0800 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Maybe VW lying about antenna performance? Wouldn’t be the first time: 🤣 Mark
On 5 Aug 2020, at 4:08 PM, Chris van der Meijden <chris@arachnon. de> wrote:
Hi Michael, the antenna seems not to be active according to the wiring diagram and some forum posts I found. I double checked the connection of GPS and GSM. Seems to OK ... Greetinx Chris
Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 08:01 +0200 schrieb Michael Balzer:
Chris,
two additional thoughts:
- maybe the VW antenna contains a GSM and a GPS antenna (?), and you connected the wrong one?
- maybe the VW antenna is an active one and needs a supply voltage which is currently missing?
Regards,
Michael
Am 05.08.20 um 07:24 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
Maybe,
Or the VW antenna is way off on specification.
Regards, Mark.
On 5 Aug 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris van der Meijden <chris@arachnon.de> wrote:
Thank you for your response.
That leaves me with a poor home made SMA to Fakra adapter cable, I guess ...
Regards
Chris
Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 09:27 +0800 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson: > The antenna surely > helps, but in some locations you can > receive a signal > with a piece of wet string resting on > the antenna > connection. Seriously. At my office > desktop, I still > get 3G without an antenna connected > (but I don’t > recommend it due to possible feedback > in the modem > module). > > > > These are not binary on/off situations. > An antenna rated to 1710-1990 will > still work at > 1991, or even 2100, but just not > optimally with the > best reception or transmission. > > > > > The original Fasttech antennas were > designed for 2G (OVMS v2), but > should still cover > some 3G ranges optimally. The newer > ones (from > Medlock in USA and > OpenEnergyMonitor in UK) should > cover all ranges (up to and > including 4G LTE) - > and we used these for radio > certification so have > been very thoroughly tested at all > the supported > 2G and 3G frequency ranges. > > > > Regards, Mark. > > > > > On 5 Aug 2020, at 12:21 AM, > > Chris > > van der Meijden <chris@arachn > > on.de> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Still digging on the > > subject > > ... > > > > > > > > Today I took my original > > Fasttech OVMS v2 antenna > > out of my Nissan > > Leaf and connected it to > > the OVMS v3 in > > our VW e-Up. And > > surprise, surprise I got > > direct connection over > > the SIM to the > > network. > > > > > > > > The VW antenna gives me > > -101 > > dBm, the Fasttech antenna > > gives me -91 > > dBm. > > > > > > > > So I took a look at the > > frequencies ... > > > > > > > > The old fasttech antenna > > has a > > frequency range of 824- > > 960 / 1710-1990. > > > > > > > > > > o2 (my SIM card provider) > > uses > > GSM 900 and GSM+LTE 1800 > > for 2g (4g LTE > > cannot be used on the > > SIM5360) and uses > > UMTS 2100 for 3g. > > > > > > > > Now I have two theories on > > what make things go wrong > > with the VW > > antenna, but work with > > the fasttech > > antenna: > > > > > > > > 1. My home made sma / fakra > > adapter cable to the VW > > antenna is bad > > (could be, but in the > > city it connects) > > > > > > > > 2. Because 3g on 2100 mHz > > is > > not available through the > > fasttech > > antenna, OVMS v3 is > > forced to 2g and > > everything runs fine. > > > > > > > > Any corrections on the > > second > > theory are welcome. I'm > > guessing ... > > > > > > > > I will buy an other sma > > 2g/3g > > antenna just to get rid > > of the problem, > > but will also continue > > thinking on this > > one. > > > > > > > > Greetinx > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Montag, den 03.08.2020, > > 12:31 +0200 schrieb Chris > > van der Meijden: > > > > > Hi Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, economical > > > visionaries > > > are always a lot of > > > fun :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > I read that "GSM voices > > > services" line too > > > and checked on that > > > with my mobile phone. > > > I restricted the > > > connection of the > > > phone with > > > *#*#4636#*#* to "GSM > > > auto (PRL)" and it > > > connects to EDGE. So > > > data over GSM is > > > available ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Still mysterious. Will > > > dig > > > some more ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetinx > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Montag, den > > > 03.08.2020, > > > 12:21 +0200 schrieb > > > Michael Balzer: > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't tell the > > > > modem to restrict > > > > itself in any way. > > > > Bugs in the modem > > > > firmware are > > > > likely, but I think a > > > > serious bug like > > > > this would have been > > > > solved early. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the pilot > > > > description now, and > > > > you need to pay > > > > attention to this > > > > section: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statt > > > > > der üblichen > > > > > drei Dienste LTE, UMTS > > > > > und GSM kommen > > > > > in Kirchfarrnbach "nur" > > > > > LTE 800 und LTE > > > > > 900 für die > > > > > Datenversorgung > > > > > sowie GSM für > > > > > Sprachdienste > > > > > und SMS zum Einsatz. Auf > > > > > UMTS haben die > > > > > Funknetzplaner hier > > > > > verzichtet, > > > > > weil bereits LTE und GSM > > > > > alle > > > > > Anforderungen der Bevölkerung > > > > > erfüllen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > …translated… > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead > > > > > of the usual > > > > > three services LTE, UMTS > > > > > and GSM, "only" > > > > > LTE 800 and LTE 900 > > > > > are used in > > > > > Kirchfarrnbach for data > > > > > supply as well > > > > > as GSM for voice > > > > > services and > > > > > SMS. The radio network > > > > > planners have > > > > > dispensed with UMTS here > > > > > because LTE and > > > > > GSM already meet all > > > > > the > > > > > requirements of the population. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have neither > > > > UMTS nor EDGE. GSM > > > > is only available > > > > for voice streams and > > > > SMS. Data is only > > > > available via LTE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your only option is > > > > to tell them they're > > > > a bunch of … > > > > outstanding economical > > > > visionaries, who > > > > could possibly consider > > > > rethinking their > > > > IoT compatibility ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 03.08.20 > > > > um 11:33 schrieb > > > > Chris van der > > > > Meijden: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did some more > > > > > reading > > > > > on the > > > > > SIM5360 and also digged a bit > > > > > through the > > > > > simcom source. Found > > > > > loads of AT- > > > > > commands there :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not > > > > > find an AT > > > > > command to > > > > > restrict the selection to > > > > > 2g. Perhaps I > > > > > did not look deep > > > > > enough, but > > > > > if someone knows the > > > > > command ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still > > > > > thinking why > > > > > the automatic > > > > > fallback to 2g does > > > > > not happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The > > > > > transmitter offers > > > > > only 2g (GSM > > > > > 900 mHz) and LTE (800 > > > > > or 1800). No > > > > > 3g. > > > > > - I have a > > > > > signal > > > > > strength of > > > > > -110 to -100 dBm > > > > > - AT+COPS? > > > > > gives me an > > > > > empty > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be > > > > > possible, > > > > > that > > > > > somewhere in the code something > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I don't have > > > > > 3g > > > > > - I do have LTE > > > > > - Lets try LTE > > > > > - I see LTE > > > > > - I have no > > > > > hardware for > > > > > LTE > > > > > - OK, don't do > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? So > > > > > somehow > > > > > fallback to > > > > > 2g never happens? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just guessing > > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Montag, den > > > > > 03.08.2020, > > > > > 10:10 +0800 schrieb Mark > > > > > Webb-Johnson: > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > SIM5360E > > > > > > should auto-switch between > > > > > > 2G and 3G. > > > > > > It supports the following > > > > > > frequency > > > > > > bands: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GSM/GPRS/ > > > > > > EDGE > > > > > > 850/9 > > > > > > 00/1800/1900MHz; > > > > > > UMTS/HSPA > > > > > > + > > > > > > 900/2 > > > > > > 100MHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > SIMCOM > > > > > > options/c > > > > > > ommands to restrict the > > > > > > selection > > > > > > , but the default is > > > > > > automatic > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > > > > > > > 2 Aug 2020, > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > t 6:40 PM, Chris van der > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > eijden <chris@arachnon.de> > > > > > > > w > > > > > > > rote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the help :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The AT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commands are working > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now, but as expected no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection at all. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also no fallback to 2g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or no GPRS offered on 2g > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (German) information on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the "site lite" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transmitters: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.telekom.com/de/blog/netz/artikel > > > > > > > /standort-light-pilotprojekt-552152 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not find any AT command > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the SIM5360 to force > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2g. I will play a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around with the modem in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next days. Will also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try congstar, I do have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a congstar SIM laying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around here ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetinx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > den 02.08.2020, 10:59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +0200 schrieb Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balzer: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to send modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commands and read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responses: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OVMS# log > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level debug simcom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Logging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level for simcom set > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to debug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OVMS# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simcom cmd AT+COPS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIMCOM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command has been sent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164488782) simcom: tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mcmd ch=4 len=10 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AT+COPS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164488792) simcom: rx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line ch=4 len=23 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +COPS: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0,0,"congstar",2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164488802) simcom: rx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line ch=4 len=2 : OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let's see if we have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3G: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OVMS# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simcom cmd AT+CPSI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIMCOM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command has been sent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164693462) simcom: tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mcmd ch=4 len=10 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AT+CPSI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164693482) simcom: rx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line ch=4 len=85 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +CPSI: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WCDMA,Online,262- > > > > > > > > 01,0x16C3,7824927,WCDMA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000,454,10836,0,7.5,104,18,8,500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (164693482) simcom: rx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line ch=4 len=2 : OK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Well, no surprise, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telekom network :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SIM5360 is supposed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to automatically fall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to 2G if 3G isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available. On a quick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manual, I didn't find a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command to force 2G, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just one to lock to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific 2G cell… you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could do that depending > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your location, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe you should first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspect your modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.08.20 um 09:39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schrieb Chris van der > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meijden: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some principals of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the SIM connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > methods of OVMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that I recently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved from "the big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city" Munich to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very much rural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > village Thalham. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thalham we have so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called "lite" mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transmitters. These > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transmitters are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > installed, as far as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understood, to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safe money and to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prepare the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transition of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > providers to 4g / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5g. They are forcing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the frequencies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards the 4g band > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transmitters seem to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offer only 2g and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4g, but no more 3g > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (really ???). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have any network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIM in my OVMS here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Thalham. In the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next village Zolling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Zolling they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "lite" transmitters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still have full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3g support. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antenna of my OVMS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is working well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (-100 dBm to -70 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dBm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OVMS have a fallback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on SIM5360 Europe to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2g (EDGE) if 3g is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not available? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did some reading in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the modem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > documentation and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried to send some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AT commands. Goal is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to try to force the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIM into 2g mode. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tried i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simcom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > muxtx 2 AT+COPS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the SIM, but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't get an answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on that command at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all. No matter what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > channel I try. 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