[Ovmsdev] Time for 3.2.003? / Issue #241

Mark Webb-Johnson mark at webb-johnson.net
Thu Sep 19 16:22:07 HKT 2019 

OK, I’ve built:

2019-09-19 MWJ  3.2.005  OTA release
- Default module/debug.tasks to FALSE
  Users that volunteer to submit tasks debug historical data to the Open Vehicles
  project, should (with appreciation) set:
    config set module debug.tasks yes
  This will be transmit approximately 700MB of data a month (over cellular/wifi).

2019-09-19 MWJ  3.2.004  OTA release
- Skipped for Chinese superstitous reasons

In EAP now, and I will announce.

Regards, Mark.

> On 19 Sep 2019, at 3:34 PM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de> wrote:
> 
> Correct.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael
> 
> 
> Am 19.09.19 um 09:29 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>> I’m just worried about the users who don’t know about this new feature. When they deploy this version, they suddenly start sending 6MB of data a month up to us.
>> 
>> I think the ‘fix’ is just to change ovms_module.c:
>> 
>> MyConfig.GetParamValueBool("module", "debug.tasks", true)
>> 
>> to
>> 
>> MyConfig.GetParamValueBool("module", "debug.tasks", false)
>> 
>> That would then only submit these logs for those that explicitly turn it on?
>> 
>> Regards, Mark.
>> 
>>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 3:23 PM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I didn't think about this being an issue elsewhere -- german data plans typically start at minimum 100 MB/month flat (that's my current plan at 3 € / month).
>>> 
>>> No need for a new release, it can be turned off OTA by issueing
>>> 
>>> config set module debug.tasks no
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 19.09.19 um 09:08 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>> Yep:
>>>> 
>>>> 758 bytes * (86400 / 300) * 30 = 6.5MB/month
>>>> 
>>>> That is going over data (not SD). Presumably cellular data for a large portion of the time.
>>>> 
>>>> I think we need to default this to OFF, and make a 3.2.004 to avoid this becoming an issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 2:04 PM, Stephen Casner <casner at acm.org <mailto:casner at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's 6.55MB/month, unless you have unusually short months!  :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> In what space is that data stored?  A log written to SD?  That's not
>>>>> likely to fill up the SD card too fast, but what happens if no SD card
>>>>> is installed?
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                                        -- Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    To enable CPU usage statistics, apply the changes to sdkconfig
>>>>>>>    included.
>>>>>>>    New history record:
>>>>>>>    - "*-OVM-DebugTasks" v1: <taskcnt,totaltime> + per task:
>>>>>>>        <tasknum,name,state,stack_now,stack_max,stack_total,
>>>>>>>         heap_total,heap_32bit,heap_spi,runtime>
>>>>>>>      Note: CPU core use percentage = runtime / totaltime
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve just noticed that this is enabled by default now (my production build has the sdkconfig updated, as per defaults).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am seeing 758 bytes of history record, every 5 minutes. About 218KB/day, or 654KB/month.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Should this be opt-in?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8 Sep 2019, at 5:43 PM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've pushed some modifications and improvements to (hopefully) fix the timer issue or at least be able to debug it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some sdkconfig changes are necessary.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The build including these updates is on my edge release as 3.2.002-258-g20ae554b.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Btw: the network restart strategy seems to mitigate issue #241; I've seen a major drop on record repetitions on my server since the rollout.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> commit 99e4e48bdd40b7004c0976f51aba9e3da4ecab53
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Module: add per task CPU usage statistics, add task stats history records
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    To enable CPU usage statistics, apply the changes to sdkconfig
>>>>>>>    included. The CPU usage shown by the commands is calculated against
>>>>>>>    the last task status retrieved (or system boot).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Command changes:
>>>>>>>    - "module tasks" -- added CPU (core) usage in percent per task
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    New command:
>>>>>>>    - "module tasks data" -- output task stats in history record form
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    New config:
>>>>>>>    - [module] debug.tasks -- yes (default) = send task stats every 5 minutes
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    New history record:
>>>>>>>    - "*-OVM-DebugTasks" v1: <taskcnt,totaltime> + per task:
>>>>>>>        <tasknum,name,state,stack_now,stack_max,stack_total,
>>>>>>>         heap_total,heap_32bit,heap_spi,runtime>
>>>>>>>      Note: CPU core use percentage = runtime / totaltime
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> commit 950172c216a72beb4da0bc7a40a46995a6105955
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Build config: default timer service task priority raised to 20
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Background: the FreeRTOS timer service shall only be used for very
>>>>>>>      short and non-blocking jobs. We delegate event processing to our
>>>>>>>      events task, anything else in timers needs to run with high
>>>>>>>      priority.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> commit 31ac19d187480046c16356b80668de45cacbb83d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    DukTape: add build config for task priority, default lowered to 3
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Background: the DukTape garbage collector shall run on lower
>>>>>>>      priority than tasks like SIMCOM & events
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> commit e0a44791fbcfb5a4e4cad24c9d1163b76e637b4f
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Server V2: use esp_log_timestamp for timeout detection,
>>>>>>>      add timeout config, limit data records & size per second
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    New config:
>>>>>>>    - [server.v2] timeout.rx -- timeout in seconds, default 960
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> commit 684a4ce9525175a910040f0d1ca82ac212fbf5de
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Notify: use esp_log_timestamp for creation time instead of monotonictime
>>>>>>>      to harden against timer service starvation / ticker event drops
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 07.09.19 um 10:55 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>>>>> I think the RTOS timer service task starves. It's running on core 0 with priority 1.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Taks on core 0 sorted by priority:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Number of Tasks = 20      Stack:  Now   Max Total    Heap 32-bit SPIRAM C# PRI
>>>>>>>> 3FFC84A8  6 Blk ipc0              388   500  1024    7788      0      0  0  24
>>>>>>>> 3FFC77F0  5 Blk OVMS CanRx        428   428  2048    3052      0  31844  0  23
>>>>>>>> 3FFAFBF4  1 Blk esp_timer         400   656  4096   35928    644  25804  0  22
>>>>>>>> 3FFD3240 19 Blk wifi              460  2716  3584   43720      0     20  0  22
>>>>>>>> 3FFC03C4  2 Blk eventTask         448  1984  4608     104      0      0  0  20
>>>>>>>> 3FFC8F14 17 Blk tiT               500  2308  3072    6552      0      0  *  18
>>>>>>>> 3FFE14F0 26 Blk OVMS COrx         456   456  4096       0      0      0  0   7
>>>>>>>> 3FFE19D4 27 Blk OVMS COwrk        476   476  3072       0      0      0  0   7
>>>>>>>> 3FFCBC34 12 Blk Tmr Svc           352   928  3072      88      0      0  0   1
>>>>>>>> 3FFE7708 23 Blk mdns              468  1396  4096     108      0      0  0   1
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's our CanRx, as that only fetches and queues CAN frames, the actual work is done by the listeners. The CO tasks only run for CANopen jobs, which are few for normal operation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That leaves the system tasks, with main suspect -once again- the wifi blob.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We need to know how much CPU time the tasks actually use now. I think I saw some option for this in the FreeRTOS config.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 06.09.19 um 23:15 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>>>>>> The workaround is based on the monotonictime being updated per second, as do the history record offsets.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apparently, that mechanism doesn't work reliably. That may be an indicator for some bigger underlying issue.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Example log excerpt:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:07:48.126919 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,0,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:03.089031 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-10,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:05.041574 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-20,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:05.052644 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-30,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:05.063617 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-49,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:05.077527 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-59,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:05.193775 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-70,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:13.190645 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-80,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:22.077994 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-90,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:09:54.590300 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-109,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:11:10.127054 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-119,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:11:16.794200 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-130,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:11:22.455652 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-140,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:12:49.423412 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-150,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:12:49.442096 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-169,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:12:49.461941 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-179,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:14:39.828133 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-190,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:14:39.858144 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-200,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:14:52.020319 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-210,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:14:54.452637 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-229,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:15:12.613935 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-239,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:15:35.223845 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-250,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:16:09.255059 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-260,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:17:31.919754 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-270,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:19:23.366267 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-289,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:21:57.344609 +0200 info  main: #173 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-299,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:23:40.082406 +0200 info  main: #31 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-1027,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 2019-09-06 22:25:58.061883 +0200 info  main: #31 C MITPROHB rx msg h 964,-1040,RT-BAT-C,5,86400,2,1,3830,3795,3830,-10,25,25,25,0
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This shows the ticker was only run 299 times from 22:07:48 to 22:21:57.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> After 22:21:57 the workaround was triggered and did a reconnect. Apparently during that network reinitialization of 103 seconds, the per second ticker was run 628 times.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That can't be catching up on the event queue, as that queue has only 20 slots. So something strange is going on here.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 06.09.19 um 08:04 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>>>>>>> Mark & anyone else running a V2 server,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> as most cars don't send history records, this also needs the change to the server I just pushed, i.e. server version 2.4.2.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commits/master <https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commits/master> <https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commits/master <https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commits/master>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.09.19 um 19:55 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>>>>>>>> I've pushed the nasty workaround: the v2 server checks for no RX over 15 minutes, then restarts the network (wifi & modem) as configured for autostart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rolled out on my server in edge as 3.2.002-237-ge075f655.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please test.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.09.19 um 01:58 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, you can check your server logs for history messages with ridiculous time offsets:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sddexter at ns27 server]$ cat log-20190903 | egrep "rx msg h [0-9]+,-[0-9]{4}" | wc -l
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 455283
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked my logs and see 12 vehicles showing this. But, 2 only show this for a debugcrash log (which is expected, I guess, if the time is not synced at report time). I’ve got 4 cars with the offset > 10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2019, at 4:45 AM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de> <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've pushed a change that needs some testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had the issue myself now parking at a certain distance from my garage wifi AP, i.e. on the edge of "in", after wifi had been disconnected for some hours, and with the module still connected via modem. The wifi blob had been trying to connect to the AP for about two hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As seen before, the module saw no error, just the server responses and commands stopped coming in. I noticed the default interface was still "st1" despite wifi having been disconnected and modem connected. The DNS was also still configured for my wifi network, and the interface seemed to have an IP address -- but wasn't pingable from the wifi network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A power cycle of the modem solved the issue without reboot. So the cause may be in the modem/ppp subsystem, or it may be related (in some weird way) to the default interface / DNS setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More tests showed the default interface again/still got set by the wifi blob itself at some point, overriding our modem prioritization. The events we didn't handle up to now were "sta.connected" and "sta.lostip", so I added these, and the bug didn't show up again since then. That doesn't mean anything, so we need to test this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The default interface really shouldn't affect inbound packet routing of an established connection, but there always may be strange bugs lurking in those libs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The change also reimplements the wifi signal strength reading, as the tests also showed that still wasn't working well using the CSI callback. It now seems to be much more reliable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please test & report. The single module will be hard to test, as the bug isn't reproducable easily, but you can still try if wifi / modem transitions work well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, you can check your server logs for history messages with ridiculous time offsets:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [sddexter at ns27 server]$ cat log-20190903 | egrep "rx msg h [0-9]+,-[0-9]{4}" | wc -l
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 455283
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bug now severely affects the V2 server performance, as the server is single threaded and doesn't scale very well to this kind of bulk data bursts, especially when coming from multiple modules in parallel. So we really need to solve this now. Slow reactions or connection drops from my server lately have been due to this bug. If this change doesn't solve it, we'll need to add some reboot trigger on "too many server v2 notification retransmissions" -- or maybe a modem power cycle will do, that wouldn't discard the data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.09.19 um 07:46 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem. We can hold. I won’t commit anything for the next few days (and agree to hold-off on Markos’s pull). Let me know when you are ready.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 Sep 2019, at 1:58 AM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, please wait.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may just have found the cause for issue #241, or at least something I need to investigate before releasing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to dig into my logs first, and try something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 02.09.19 um 12:23 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing open from my side at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't had the time to look in to Markos pull request, but from a first check also think that's going too deep to be included in this release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 02.09.19 um 04:15 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is well past time for a 3.2.003 release. Things seems table in edge (although some things only partially implemented).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything people want to include at the last minute, or can we go ahead and build?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
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