[Ovmsdev] Brake light control (was Re: Prototyping expansion board)
Michael Balzer
dexter at expeedo.de
Mon Apr 22 04:45:05 HKT 2019
Julien,
have a look at the Twizy schematics for the brake pedal switch (code 160): it simply closes the 12V circuit on the brake light when pushed (pins 1+2).
The only side effect of a parallel relay here is that you can disengage the hand brake when the relay is closed, as the relay does (electrically) the same as
pushing the pedal.
Regards,
Michael
Am 21.04.19 um 21:41 schrieb Julien “JaXX” Banchet:
> Hi,
>
> While I’m not that worried about relay lifetime (especially under low load) I was wondering if having the relay closed while pressing the real brakes wouldn’t
> trigger the (STOP) sign (on the Twizy) having it believe one of the lamps is dead because the relaly would short the current measurement. (I forgot to use a
> single comma in that sentence :-) )
>
> But I love the idea, I’m sometimes afraid people get a bit too close, and Parisians already love sticking to other people’s behinds.
>
> Regards,
> Julien
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21 Apr 2019, at 21:15, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> wrote:
>
>> Silly me, I somehow thought the ext12v should be reserved to power additional high level equipment, but that's of course the most simple solution.
>>
>> I've already ordered a set of these: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07912HD6H/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item
>>
>> …so I will be able to use the EGPIO lines as well. But I'll add the ext12v line to the control options.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Am 21.04.19 um 15:01 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>> If changing vehicle.{h, cpp} framework, I suggest leaving a hook in to allow the vehicle module to override / supplement this. In particular, the brake
>>> light may be controllable via can message on some vehicles.
>>>
>>> You can look at the ext12v circuit to see how to control this.
>>>
>>> The ext12v system is a switchable 12v line already wired up and available on DA26 expansion. Would be trivial to put an external relay on that to switch
>>> brake lights.
>>>
>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>
>>>> On 21 Apr 2019, at 1:32 AM, Tamás Kovács <kommykt at gmail.com <mailto:kommykt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> JP1 pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [ 680 Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ] ----- pin 28 (GND)
>>>> |
>>>> pin 12 (EGPIO_8)
>>>>
>>>> I can connect a 680Ohm resistor first end to pin1, a second end to pin12, and the led positive side to pin12 and negative to pin28(gnd). Now I have only
>>>> 470ohm resistor at home, I tested now with a 4V li-ion battery and my red led power is 4mA. I can use this (470Ohm) resistor or buy a 680Ohm.
>>>> Tomorrow I remove the OVMS module from my car, and create some test, if the resistor (470Ohm) is OK.
>>>> I used this calculator for led series resistor calculation (I used a red Led): http://ledcalc.com <http://ledcalc.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 20., Szo, 11:16):
>>>>
>>>> Be aware the MAX71317 outputs are open drain, so you need a pull up resistor to e.g. +3.3. According to the data sheet, the current should stay below 6 mA.
>>>>
>>>> I've just done a quick test wiring like this:
>>>>
>>>> JP1 pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [ 680 Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ] ----- pin 28 (GND)
>>>> |
>>>> pin 12 (EGPIO_8)
>>>>
>>>> Works as expected.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 19.04.19 um 09:59 schrieb Michael Balzer:
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to route an EGPIO line to the DA26 port. For a first test you can add a simple jumper on expansion port pins 10/12 to route EGPIO_8 to GEP_7
>>>>> (= pin 21 on DA26).
>>>>>
>>>>> You should then be able to use the "egpio" command to test your LED. EGPIO_1 … _8 labels correspond to MAX7317 ports 2 … 9, so to control EGPIO_8, do:
>>>>>
>>>>> OVMS# egpio output 9 1 # EGPIO_8 on
>>>>> OVMS# egpio output 9 0 # EGPIO_8 off
>>>>>
>>>>> (correct me if I'm wrong, Mark)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware there are other cars in need of something like this. I'll think about adding the logic as an option to the vehicle framework, but I can
>>>>> send you some patch to test this on your i-MiEV/clone first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 19.04.19 um 09:24 schrieb Tamás Kovács:
>>>>>> I can add for testing a simple led (with resistor) , same as SimpleConsole (twizy OVMS V2), to show car is recuperating, connected to DA26 external
>>>>>> expansion port?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 19., P, 9:17):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the Mitsubishi code also reads battery current/power level from CAN, it would be trivial to add the same logic there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 19.04.19 um 06:52 schrieb Tamás Kovács:
>>>>>>> The Trio (Mitsubishi I-Miev and clones) does not activate the brake light on recuperation on 2105 and older models, if this is work is very
>>>>>>> impressive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 18., Cs, 23:08):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that looks very good. Not sure about general demand, but I think we should have this to enable simple custom hardware I/O extensions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the Twizy, I was thinking about adding logic to control the brake light from the module. The Twizy does not activate the brake light on
>>>>>>> recuperation, as that's normally (untuned) not very strong. But a tuned Twizy allows one pedal driving, so needs this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at our case I also think one custom extension board should fit on top of the modem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 18.04.19 um 02:36 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>>>>>> It seems the attachments were messed up, so attaching again…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2019, at 10:07 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark at webb-johnson.net <mailto:mark at webb-johnson.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Design layout. Looks good to me, but open to suggestions...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can make in sets of three PCBs, to keep prices down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 12:05 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark at webb-johnson.net <mailto:mark at webb-johnson.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A kit of 5 PCBs + SIP edge connectors + mounting hardware, unsoldered, would be about US$15 + shipping. About US$3/board set. With
>>>>>>>>>> shipping I don’t think this is worth doing with less than 3 or 5 boards per kit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would this be useful?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Apr 2019, at 9:08 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark at webb-johnson.net <mailto:mark at webb-johnson.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the closest we have today:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a bare modem board, with just the sip connectors. The prototype above is a K-line transceiver.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be trivial, and cheap, to make up what you show. Perhaps just solder ready pads at 0.1” pitch, then the side sip
>>>>>>>>>>> connectors wired to the first row of pads at each edge. Perhaps 5 PCBs in a kit, with sip edge connectors, unsoldered, in a simple
>>>>>>>>>>> plastic bag.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does that sound like something useful? If so, I can ask the China guys for some idea of pricing. If it is just the unsoldered pcbs +
>>>>>>>>>>> parts, I don’t think it will be expensive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Apr 2019, at 4:38 PM, Michael Balzer <dexter at expeedo.de <mailto:dexter at expeedo.de>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you know of some kind of prototyping board available that fits to our piggy back expansion layout?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like this: https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.04.19 um 06:48 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have work to do on this DA26 expansion ports, this is pretty cool and well built:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/26-Pin-D-SUB-DB26-3-Rows-Serial-Parallel-Port-Serial-Shellless-Male-And-Female-Connector/32886738786.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.20924c4dg34EEU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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