[Ovmsdev] Kia Soul EV version 0.2 problems
Robert Cotran
robert at cotran.ca
Thu Nov 5 06:46:54 HKT 2015
Hi guys,
So I have the smartphone app connecting to "the car" and getting very
limited info. So far I can get the location of the car and the OVMS
firmware version as 2.8.1/KS0.2/V2. I also get the GPS location.
However, I'm not getting any car specific information such as VIN (yes I
sent the FEATURE 15 1 command), or state of charge. Could that be a
problem with the OVMS firmware that Michael and Geir wrote, or is it
something else?
I'm assuming that this works with the car completely off right? The
OBDII port definitely gets power, but I don't know if there is any other
network traffic when it's off.
Is there a way for me to tap into the tmc.openvehicles.com server with
an API or something to see the raw information the modules are sending
it? How often do the modules update the server?
Thanks, and sorry for all the noob questions.
Rob
On 11/4/2015 5:23 PM, Robert Cotran wrote:
> I'm up and running!
>
> The power is to the module is now stable, and I went out and got a
> Rogers SIM (not a Bell SIM -- attention Canadians, Bell SIMs do NOT
> work), and I can talk to the car finally.
>
> PHEW!
>
> I got a data-only plan so SMSes are 15c each, so I really want to
> figure out how to get data (GPRS) communications working in an ad hoc
> way because I can't rely on text messages -- too expensive. I'll do
> some reading about that.
>
> Then I'll start testing out the Kia Soul EV specific functionality.
>
> Woohoo! this is awesome!
>
> Rob
>
> On 11/3/2015 2:48 PM, Robert Cotran wrote:
>> OK so I had/have two problems:
>>
>> 1) the OVMS board had a bad connection on the ground input, so power
>> wasn't getting to the board properly hence the weird flashing
>> lights. We fixed that with a more solid ground connection soldered
>> to a couple pins.
>>
>> 2) the SIM card I'm using does NOT work with the board. I hooked up
>> the diag port and it says "NOT INSERTED" for CPIN. With another
>> cellular provider's SIM, it did work. So now I have to find a way to
>> get this happening. I can only get cheap data with my current
>> provider, so I'm going to hunt for an old SIM that might work.
>>
>> So things are on pause until I'm able to do that...
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 11/2/2015 8:22 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>> About 200mA would be safest. A bench 12V power supply is fine.
>>>
>>> Regards, Mark
>>>
>>>> On 2 Nov 2015, at 9:20 PM, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I will definitely hook up to the diag port. I do have a USB-serial
>>>> cable. Thanks for that suggestion!
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if one can power the unit "on a bench" using a 12V
>>>> adapter? I read that the OBDII port only gives out a max of 100mA,
>>>> is that true? If it is true, a small 12V adapter should be fine...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> On 11/1/2015 9:25 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>>>> The other thing to suggest is if you have a USB-serial cable and a
>>>>> laptop, you can plug into the DIAG port at 9600baud, and have a
>>>>> look at the messages from the modem. That should tell you exactly
>>>>> what is going on. But if you count the blinks, and they go 10 then
>>>>> 9 then reset then 10 then 9, it is most likely the SIM connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Nov, 2015, at 4:59 am, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really not having any luck here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried three different SIM cards now, and they all do exactly
>>>>>> the same thing. I haven't read anywhere about the red and green
>>>>>> lights being on simultaneously and flashing like crazy so I'm
>>>>>> really starting to suspect that the hardware is defective. I
>>>>>> wish I had another kit lying around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The kit I have is from my friend but it's brand new, it has never
>>>>>> been used in a car before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering if I should just order another kit to see if the
>>>>>> same thing happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did have a question. If I simply power the OBDII port on the
>>>>>> kit with 12V, should it power up normally? I could test that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geir, my car is in Canada, so I don't have UVO services
>>>>>> unfortunately, hence the reason I'd really like to get this
>>>>>> going! I'm on the KIA Soul EV forums, and once I have this
>>>>>> working, I'll try to rope in someone in the US who would be
>>>>>> willing to monitor their CAN Bus so we can snoop and try to copy
>>>>>> the HVAC calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 12:09 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> green 8 + red 4 = SIM lock... I don't know how a phone could use
>>>>>>> a locked SIM for data, but just try setting and again removing
>>>>>>> the SIM lock with the SIM toolkit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some (very few) SIMs just don't work in the OVMS, it's unlikely
>>>>>>> you stumbled across two of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I once had the effect of a flash process that failed without any
>>>>>>> error output, so you also should try re-flashing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course the hardware can be broken too, i.e. bad SIM slot
>>>>>>> soldering causing data errors or bad antenna connection. As your
>>>>>>> module has been used before (I assume?) that's quite unlikely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 17:40 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried the SIM card in a cell phone. Worked perfectly, got
>>>>>>>> data connection and was able to download data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt it's locked, it's brand new. The phone didn't ask me
>>>>>>>> for a code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I verified the antennas are plugged correctly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can the OVMS kit be defective? Does that happen?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could the KIA firmware specifically have caused an issue? Then
>>>>>>>> again, Geir has it working no problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 10:48 AM, Michael Jochum wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have you tried the SIM Card in an Cell Phone? Did this work?
>>>>>>>>> Is the Card locked with a Pin code? OVMS can't handle PIN
>>>>>>>>> locked cards.
>>>>>>>>> Do you connect the Antennas to their right plugs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 16:13 schrieb Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to see that it looks like development of the Kia
>>>>>>>>>> Soul EV firmware is going to continue, thanks to Micheal and
>>>>>>>>>> Geir!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I went out and bought a dedicated SIM for the OVMS kit
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday and flashed the OVMS with 0.2 of the Kia Soul
>>>>>>>>>> firmware and I flashed the EEPROM as well since this is a new
>>>>>>>>>> installation and there's nothing on the kit yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's still not working unfortunately. When I plug it into
>>>>>>>>>> the car, the red LED comes on for a few seconds, then the red
>>>>>>>>>> and green flash a bit, and then they both stay off for about
>>>>>>>>>> 10-15 seconds, then the green flashes 10 times, then 9 times,
>>>>>>>>>> then I think 8 or 9 times, and then the red LED flashes a few
>>>>>>>>>> times while the green is flashing, and then then both start
>>>>>>>>>> to flash on and off extremely fast, so fast that it looks
>>>>>>>>>> like they are both on solid. They stay like this for about 7
>>>>>>>>>> or 8 seconds, and then it starts all over again from the 10,
>>>>>>>>>> 9 on green.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've followed the Roadster guide to getting this up and
>>>>>>>>>> running, I've cleaned the SIM contacts and I've tried two
>>>>>>>>>> different SIM cards, so I'm a bit lost as to what I can try next.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2015 5:20 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Robert :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Basic setup of the Kia firmware is the same as for other
>>>>>>>>>>> models. So you can follow the Roadster guide or one of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Twizy guides first.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You wrote to me you got the module from a friend, so you
>>>>>>>>>>> should first flash once without preserving EEPROM to get a
>>>>>>>>>>> clean config to start with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Follow Marks link to the support FAQ if you get stuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>> config process. To diag LED flash codes, also take a look at
>>>>>>>>>>> the state machine diagram in the main docs folder. If you
>>>>>>>>>>> need help, describe exactly (!) which doc you've been
>>>>>>>>>>> following and what you have done so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're stuck at 10/9... maybe you should first check if
>>>>>>>>>>> the SIM card has contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kia V0.1 only reads some first status messages and obtains
>>>>>>>>>>> the VIN if you enable CAN write access (FEATURE 15 1). I've
>>>>>>>>>>> currently got one positive and one negative test feedback
>>>>>>>>>>> for this version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would be great if you could also check V0.2 -- it's in my
>>>>>>>>>>> account on github:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System
>>>>>>>>>>> ...hex:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://dexters-web.de/f/kiasoul/OVMS-KiaSoul-0.2.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This _should_ be able to show some first OBD diag data dumps
>>>>>>>>>>> (DEBUG 1 / 5)... as I don't have a Kia, I need qualified
>>>>>>>>>>> beta test feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 31.10.2015 um 14:16 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm replying to Micheal Balzer's email from yesterday. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't on the mailing list until late yesterday afternoon,
>>>>>>>>>>>> hence I'm not able to click reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a Kia Soul EV 2016 in Canada which doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the UVO services, so this is of great interest to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the OVMS kit in front of me, but I'm a total newbie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I'm reading through some guides to get started.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to say that I'll gladly be the guinea pig for
>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'd REALLY like is to have a way to remotely turn on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the climate control system to warm up/cool down the car at
>>>>>>>>>>>> will. Hopefully that's a remote possibility. Tracking it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> cool, but controlling it is even better. I'm used to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tesla (my other car), so I am quite spoiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did get Micheal's firmware installed on the OVMS and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hooked it up to the car but it's not booting properly
>>>>>>>>>>>> (based on status LEDs). Can that be because of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> firmware or is the bootup sequence separate from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> car-control code?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The LEDs flash like - 10 Green, 9 Green, 10 Green, 9 Green,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then a few reds, then green and red flash together really
>>>>>>>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried sending text messages to the board and no dice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated, looking forward to getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> this working!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
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