[Ovmsdev] Kia Soul EV version 0.2 problems

Robert Cotran robert at cotran.ca
Thu Nov 5 06:23:39 HKT 2015 

I'm up and running!

The power is to the module is now stable, and I went out and got a 
Rogers SIM (not a Bell SIM -- attention Canadians, Bell SIMs do NOT 
work), and I can talk to the car finally.

PHEW!

I got a data-only plan so SMSes are 15c each, so I really want to figure 
out how to get data (GPRS) communications working in an ad hoc way 
because I can't rely on text messages -- too expensive. I'll do some 
reading about that.

Then I'll start testing out the Kia Soul EV specific functionality.

Woohoo!  this is awesome!

Rob

On 11/3/2015 2:48 PM, Robert Cotran wrote:
> OK so I had/have two problems:
>
> 1) the OVMS board had a bad connection on the ground input, so power 
> wasn't getting to the board properly hence the weird flashing lights.  
> We fixed that with a more solid ground connection soldered to a couple 
> pins.
>
> 2) the SIM card I'm using does NOT work with the board.  I hooked up 
> the diag port and it says "NOT INSERTED" for CPIN.  With another 
> cellular provider's SIM, it did work.  So now I have to find a way to 
> get this happening.  I can only get cheap data with my current 
> provider, so I'm going to hunt for an old SIM that might work.
>
> So things are on pause until I'm able to do that...
>
> Rob
>
> On 11/2/2015 8:22 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>> About 200mA would be safest. A bench 12V power supply is fine.
>>
>> Regards, Mark
>>
>>> On 2 Nov 2015, at 9:20 PM, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I will definitely hook up to the diag port.  I do have a USB-serial 
>>> cable.  Thanks for that suggestion!
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if one can power the unit "on a bench" using a 12V 
>>> adapter?  I read that the OBDII port only gives out a max of 100mA, 
>>> is that true?  If it is true, a small 12V adapter should be fine...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On 11/1/2015 9:25 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:
>>>> The other thing to suggest is if you have a USB-serial cable and a 
>>>> laptop, you can plug into the DIAG port at 9600baud, and have a 
>>>> look at the messages from the modem. That should tell you exactly 
>>>> what is going on. But if you count the blinks, and they go 10 then 
>>>> 9 then reset then 10 then 9, it is most likely the SIM connection.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Nov, 2015, at 4:59 am, Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all again,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really not having any luck here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried three different SIM cards now, and they all do exactly 
>>>>> the same thing.  I haven't read anywhere about the red and green 
>>>>> lights being on simultaneously and flashing like crazy so I'm 
>>>>> really starting to suspect that the hardware is defective.  I wish 
>>>>> I had another kit lying around.
>>>>>
>>>>> The kit I have is from my friend but it's brand new, it has never 
>>>>> been used in a car before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if I should just order another kit to see if the 
>>>>> same thing happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did have a question.  If I simply power the OBDII port on the 
>>>>> kit with 12V, should it power up normally?  I could test that...
>>>>>
>>>>> Geir, my car is in Canada, so I don't have UVO services 
>>>>> unfortunately, hence the reason I'd really like to get this going! 
>>>>> I'm on the KIA Soul EV forums, and once I have this working, I'll 
>>>>> try to rope in someone in the US who would be willing to monitor 
>>>>> their CAN Bus so we can snoop and try to copy the HVAC calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/1/2015 12:09 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> green 8 + red 4 = SIM lock... I don't know how a phone could use 
>>>>>> a locked SIM for data, but just try setting and again removing 
>>>>>> the SIM lock with the SIM toolkit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some (very few) SIMs just don't work in the OVMS, it's unlikely 
>>>>>> you stumbled across two of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once had the effect of a flash process that failed without any 
>>>>>> error output, so you also should try re-flashing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course the hardware can be broken too, i.e. bad SIM slot 
>>>>>> soldering causing data errors or bad antenna connection. As your 
>>>>>> module has been used before (I assume?) that's quite unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 17:40 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried the SIM card in a cell phone. Worked perfectly, got data 
>>>>>>> connection and was able to download data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt it's locked, it's brand new. The phone didn't ask me for 
>>>>>>> a code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I verified the antennas are plugged correctly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can the OVMS kit be defective?  Does that happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could the KIA firmware specifically have caused an issue?  Then 
>>>>>>> again, Geir has it working no problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/1/2015 10:48 AM, Michael Jochum wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have you tried the SIM Card in an Cell Phone? Did this work?
>>>>>>>> Is the Card locked with a Pin code? OVMS can't handle PIN 
>>>>>>>> locked cards.
>>>>>>>> Do you connect the Antennas to their right plugs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2015 um 16:13 schrieb Robert Cotran <robert at cotran.ca>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to see that it looks like development of the Kia 
>>>>>>>>> Soul EV firmware is going to continue, thanks to Micheal and Geir!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I went out and bought a dedicated SIM for the OVMS kit 
>>>>>>>>> yesterday and flashed the OVMS with 0.2 of the Kia Soul 
>>>>>>>>> firmware and I flashed the EEPROM as well since this is a new 
>>>>>>>>> installation and there's nothing on the kit yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's still not working unfortunately.  When I plug it into the 
>>>>>>>>> car, the red LED comes on for a few seconds, then the red and 
>>>>>>>>> green flash a bit, and then they both stay off for about 10-15 
>>>>>>>>> seconds, then the green flashes 10 times, then 9 times, then I 
>>>>>>>>> think 8 or 9 times, and then the red LED flashes a few times 
>>>>>>>>> while the green is flashing, and then then both start to flash 
>>>>>>>>> on and off extremely fast, so fast that it looks like they are 
>>>>>>>>> both on solid. They stay like this for about 7 or 8 seconds, 
>>>>>>>>> and then it starts all over again from the 10, 9 on green.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've followed the Roadster guide to getting this up and 
>>>>>>>>> running, I've cleaned the SIM contacts and I've tried two 
>>>>>>>>> different SIM cards, so I'm a bit lost as to what I can try next.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2015 5:20 PM, Michael Balzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Robert :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Basic setup of the Kia firmware is the same as for other 
>>>>>>>>>> models. So you can follow the Roadster guide or one of the 
>>>>>>>>>> Twizy guides first.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You wrote to me you got the module from a friend, so you 
>>>>>>>>>> should first flash once without preserving EEPROM to get a 
>>>>>>>>>> clean config to start with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Follow Marks link to the support FAQ if you get stuck in the 
>>>>>>>>>> config process. To diag LED flash codes, also take a look at 
>>>>>>>>>> the state machine diagram in the main docs folder. If you 
>>>>>>>>>> need help, describe exactly (!) which doc you've been 
>>>>>>>>>> following and what you have done so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you're stuck at 10/9... maybe you should first check if 
>>>>>>>>>> the SIM card has contact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kia V0.1 only reads some first status messages and obtains 
>>>>>>>>>> the VIN if you enable CAN write access (FEATURE 15 1). I've 
>>>>>>>>>> currently got one positive and one negative test feedback for 
>>>>>>>>>> this version.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would be great if you could also check V0.2 -- it's in my 
>>>>>>>>>> account on github:
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System
>>>>>>>>>> ...hex:
>>>>>>>>>> http://dexters-web.de/f/kiasoul/OVMS-KiaSoul-0.2.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This _should_ be able to show some first OBD diag data dumps 
>>>>>>>>>> (DEBUG 1 / 5)... as I don't have a Kia, I need qualified beta 
>>>>>>>>>> test feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 31.10.2015 um 14:16 schrieb Robert Cotran:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm replying to Micheal Balzer's email from yesterday.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't on the mailing list until late yesterday afternoon, 
>>>>>>>>>>> hence I'm not able to click reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a Kia Soul EV 2016 in Canada which doesn't have the 
>>>>>>>>>>> UVO services, so this is of great interest to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have the OVMS kit in front of me, but I'm a total newbie, 
>>>>>>>>>>> so I'm reading through some guides to get started.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to say that I'll gladly be the guinea pig for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I'd REALLY like is to have a way to remotely turn on 
>>>>>>>>>>> the climate control system to warm up/cool down the car at 
>>>>>>>>>>> will. Hopefully that's a remote possibility. Tracking it is 
>>>>>>>>>>> cool, but controlling it is even better.  I'm used to a 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tesla (my other car), so I am quite spoiled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did get Micheal's firmware installed on the OVMS and 
>>>>>>>>>>> hooked it up to the car but it's not booting properly (based 
>>>>>>>>>>> on status LEDs).  Can that be because of the firmware or is 
>>>>>>>>>>> the bootup sequence separate from the car-control code?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The LEDs flash like - 10 Green, 9 Green, 10 Green, 9 Green, 
>>>>>>>>>>> then a few reds, then green and red flash together really fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried sending text messages to the board and no dice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated, looking forward to getting 
>>>>>>>>>>> this working!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
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