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    Michael,<br>
    <br>
    I think this…<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/frogonwheels/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/new-poller/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle/vehicle.cpp#L358">https://github.com/frogonwheels/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/new-poller/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle/vehicle.cpp#L358</a><br>
    <font face="monospace">  MyPollers.<b>RegisterRunFinished</b>(TAG,
      std::bind(&OvmsVehicle::PollerStateTickerNotify, this, _1,
      _2));</font><br>
    <br>
    …should be a call to MyPollers.RegisterPollStateTicker() instead,
    and OvmsVehicle::ShuttingDown() is missing a call to
    DeregisterPollStateTicker().<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.03.24 um 01:44 schrieb Michael
      Geddes:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I have pushed up changes for PR#966 as well as to
        the 'new-poller' branch that handle the PollerStateTicker()
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        <div>//.ichael</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 08:39,
          Michael Geddes <<a
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          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Thanks so much for giving this a good run.  </div>
            <div>I totally missed that about the purpose of
              PollerStateTicker() damn.</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div>I think I can call this on primary ticks only from
              PollerSend() itself outside of the mutex.  That would work
              - I'll get onto that.</div>
            <div>In the original PR# 966 PollerSend() is an
              OvmsVehicle() member and as such this is a no-brainer. </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>That would mean it will get called from the Rx/Poller
              task rather than the schedule (ticker1) task which is not
              necessarily a bad thing... but different.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I believe that for the Poller implementation though,
              this will need to be an event similar to
              PollRunFinished()  - which kind of has similar usage but
              occurs between (effectively) poller ticks (ie when all
              the </div>
            <div>entries in the list have been dealt with) rather than
              what will be at the beginning of each Primary tick.</div>
            <div>Unless you have an objection - I'll pass in <font
                face="monospace">(canbus* bus)</font> to this - similar
              to PollRunFinished()</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>//.ichael</div>
            <div><br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at
                21:51, Michael Balzer <<a
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                wrote:<br>
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                <div> Michael,<br>
                  <br>
                  first feedback: testing this revealed some strange
                  issues with vehicle state changes apparently not being
                  detected or reacted to properly.<br>
                  <br>
                  A quick first check shows you have changed the way,
                  the PollerStateTicker() hook works: it's now called
                  independently from / as of the component ticker.1
                  registration sequence after the poller's primary send,
                  rather than before.<br>
                  <br>
                  The callback was explicitly meant to provide a means
                  to change the poller state just before the next poll
                  would take place:<br>
                  <br>
                  <font face="monospace">/**<br>
                     * PollerStateTicker: check for state changes (stub,
                    override with vehicle implementation)<br>
                     *  This is called by VehicleTicker1() just before
                    the next PollerSend().<br>
                     *  Implement your poller state transition logic in
                    this method, so the changes<br>
                     *  will get applied immediately.<br>
                     */<br>
                  </font><br>
                  This change is already present in PR #966, so I'll
                  delay merging that.<br>
                  <br>
                  Apart from that, the new poller seems to work
                  normally, i.e. the polling scheme works and results
                  are coming in, at least regarding ISOTP. I haven't
                  tested VWTP yet.<br>
                  <br>
                  Regards,<br>
                  Michael<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <div>Am 26.03.24 um 08:46 schrieb Michael Geddes:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Yeah wow.  So close and yet so far.
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Fix pushed.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>//.</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 23 Mar
                        2024 at 21:58, Michael Balzer <<a
                          href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
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                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div> Michael,<br>
                          <br>
                          looking forward to test this, but trying to
                          run your branch with the VW e-Up leads to an
                          early crash boot loop.<br>
                          <br>
                          Apparently `OvmsPollers::PollSetPidList()`
                          doesn't check for a NULL plist:<br>
                          <br>
                          <font face="monospace">0x40195b6f is in
                            OvmsPollers::PollSetPidList(canbus*,
                            OvmsPoller::poll_pid_t const*,
                            OvmsPoller::VehicleSignal*)
(/home/balzer/esp/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/poller/src/vehicle_poller.cpp:1201).<br>
                            1196      bool hasbus[1+VEHICLE_MAXBUSSES];<br>
                            1197      for (int i = 0 ; i <=
                            VEHICLE_MAXBUSSES; ++i)<br>
                            1198        hasbus[i] = false;<br>
                            1199    <br>
                            1200      // Check for an Empty list.<br>
                            <font color="#d83a3a"><b>1201      if
                                (plist->txmoduleid == 0)</b></font><br>
                            1202        {<br>
                            1203        plist = nullptr;<br>
                            1204        ESP_LOGD(TAG, "PollSetPidList -
                            Setting Empty List");<br>
                            1205        }<br>
                            0x401a2675 is in
                            OvmsVehicle::PollSetPidList(canbus*,
                            OvmsPoller::poll_pid_t const*)
(/home/balzer/esp/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle/vehicle.cpp:2278).<br>
                            2273      return m_pollsignal;<br>
                            2274      }<br>
                            2275    void
                            OvmsVehicle::PollSetPidList(canbus* bus,
                            const OvmsPoller::poll_pid_t* plist)<br>
                            2276      {<br>
                            2277      m_poll_bus_default = bus;<br>
                            2278      MyPollers.PollSetPidList(bus,
                            plist, GetPollerSignal());<br>
                            2279      }<br>
                            2280    #endif<br>
                            2281    <br>
                            2282    /**<br>
                            0x4023209e is in OvmsVehicleVWeUp::OBDInit()
(/home/balzer/esp/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_vweup/src/vweup_obd.cpp:233).<br>
                            228       obd_state_t previous_state =
                            m_obd_state;<br>
                            229       m_obd_state = OBDS_Config;<br>
                            230     <br>
                            231       if (previous_state != OBDS_Pause)<br>
                            232       {<br>
                            <font color="#d83a3a"><b>233        
                                PollSetPidList(m_can1, NULL);</b></font><br>
                            234         PollSetThrottling(0);<br>
                            235        
                            PollSetResponseSeparationTime(1);<br>
                            236     <br>
                            237         if
                            (StandardMetrics.ms_v_charge_inprogress->AsBool())</font><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Regards,<br>
                          Michael<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div>Am 21.03.24 um 10:17 schrieb Michael
                            Geddes:<br>
                          </div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">I've pushed up my working
                              tree  here:  <a
href="https://github.com/frogonwheels/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/tree/new-poller"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/frogonwheels/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/tree/new-poller</a>
                              <div>partly for feedback, and partly
                                because I wanted it backed up!<br>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>This incorporates about 10
                                  pull/requests worth of work which is
                                  why I didn't even add it as a draft,
                                  so I see this as taking some number of
                                  months to push up.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Of interest is really the final
                                  components/poller/src/vehicle_poller* 
                                  files and how that has all come
                                  together..  I've added some
                                  preliminary </div>
                                <div>documentation for that  which I'm
                                  quite happy to accept any critiques or
                                  requests for specific information!</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>The Duktape  metrics 'stale, age'
                                  methods are probably ready for a p/r
                                  as-is.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>//.ichael</div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun,
                                17 Mar 2024 at 16:58, Michael Geddes
                                <<a
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                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Thanks Michael,
                                  <div>I'll definitely add the config -
                                    pretty much sorted out the singleton
                                    (except for the change of
                                    directory).  Just wondering if I
                                    should rebase this change down
                                    earlier or just keep it as the 'last
                                    change' that is making the final
                                    break.  It might be a better
                                    transition that way?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Anyway have a look at this little
                                    class below; we have a bunch of
                                    different implementations for an
                                    event register and came up with the
                                    OvmsCallBackRegister below.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>In my example the event
                                    notification looks like this:<br>
                                        void PollRunFinished(canbus
                                    *bus)<br>
                                          {<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>     
                                    m_runfinished_callback.Call(<br>
                                            [bus](const std::string
                                    &name, const PollCallback
                                    &cb)<br>
                                              {<br>
                                              cb(bus, nullptr);<br>
                                              });<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>    }</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I could possibly but it in
                                    main/ovms_utils.h  ??  It could also
                                    use a std:map to implement it,
                                    though I think we save space this
                                    way and tbh the use case wouldn't be
                                    doing a lot of Register and
                                    Unregister which would be the
                                    slowest operations...   I've made it
                                    not shrink the list size .... but
                                    again, not that important in the
                                    context.<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Thoughts?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>//.ichael</div>
                                  <div>--------------8<
                                    -----------------------------------</div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace">/*
                                        Call-back register.<br>
                                         * The list does not shrink
                                        which is fine for this use-case.<br>
                                         * Can be made inexpensively
                                        threadsafe/re-entrant safe.<br>
                                         */<br>
                                        template <typename FN><br>
                                        class OvmsCallBackRegister<br>
                                          {<br>
                                          private:<br>
                                          class CallbackEntry<br>
                                            {<br>
                                            public:<br>
                                              CallbackEntry(const
                                        std::string &caller, FN
                                        callback)<br>
                                                {<br>
                                                m_name = caller;<br>
                                                m_callback = callback;<br>
                                                }<br>
                                              ~CallbackEntry() {}<br>
                                            public:<br>
                                              std::string m_name;<br>
                                              FN m_callback;<br>
                                            };<br>
                                            typedef
                                        std::forward_list<CallbackEntry>
                                        callbacklist_t;<br>
                                            callbacklist_t m_list;<br>
                                          public:<br>
                                            ~OvmsCallBackRegister()<br>
                                              {<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            void Register(const
                                        std::string &nametag, FN
                                        callback)<br>
                                              {<br>
                                              // Replace<br>
                                              for (auto it =
                                        m_list.begin(); it !=
                                        m_list.end(); ++it)<br>
                                                {<br>
                                                if ((*it).m_name ==
                                        nametag)<br>
                                                  {<br>
                                                  (*it).m_callback =
                                        callback;<br>
                                                  return;<br>
                                                  }<br>
                                                }<br>
                                              if (!callback)<br>
                                                return;<br>
                                              for (auto it =
                                        m_list.begin(); it !=
                                        m_list.end(); ++it)<br>
                                                {<br>
                                                if (!(*it).m_callback)<br>
                                                  {<br>
                                                  CallbackEntry
                                        &entry = *it;<br>
                                                  entry.m_name =
                                        nametag;<br>
                                                  entry.m_callback =
                                        callback;<br>
                                                  return;<br>
                                                  }<br>
                                                }<br>
                                             
                                        m_list.push_front(CallbackEntry(nametag,
                                        callback));<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            void Deregister(const
                                        std::string &nametag)<br>
                                              {<br>
                                              Register(nametag,
                                        nullptr);<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            typedef
                                        std::function<void (const
                                        std::string &nametag, FN
                                        callback)> visit_fn_t;<br>
                                            void Call(visit_fn_t visit)<br>
                                              {<br>
                                              for (auto it =
                                        m_list.begin(); it !=
                                        m_list.end(); ++it)<br>
                                                {<br>
                                                const CallbackEntry
                                        &entry = *it;<br>
                                                if (entry.m_callback)<br>
                                                  visit(entry.m_name,
                                        entry.m_callback);<br>
                                                }<br>
                                              }<br>
                                          };</font><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                    Thu, 14 Mar 2024 at 12:08, Mark
                                    Webb-Johnson <<a
href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank"
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                                    wrote:<br>
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                                    <div>Michael,
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I suggest that if it is a
                                        separate component then better
                                        to move it to it’s own component
                                        directory (just as canopen is
                                        done).</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>For completeness, I suggest
                                        it would also be good to include
                                        a CONFIG_OVMS_COMP_* sdkconfig
                                        (default: yes), and put that as
                                        a requirement for your component
                                        (as well as for any vehicle
                                        doing polling, I guess).</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Regards, Mark<br
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                                        <div><br>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>On 14 Mar 2024, at
                                              11:01 AM, Michael Geddes
                                              <<a
href="mailto:frog@bunyip.wheelycreek.net" target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">frog@bunyip.wheelycreek.net</a>> wrote:</div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div>Thanks Michael,
                                                  Mark,</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Sorry for not
                                                  acknowledging
                                                  earlier.. this
                                                  feedback is great;
                                                  I've just been
                                                  cogitating on the
                                                  consequences. </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                I still have the Poller
                                                hanging onto the vehicle
                                                by a thread so I should
                                                just cut the thread
                                                making the Poller a
                                                separate singleton (it's
                                                still embedded in the
                                                vehicle class for now
                                                with a small interface
                                                joining them).
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>If I do, does it
                                                  need to get moved to a
                                                  new directory or can
                                                  it stay in the
                                                  vehicle/ directory? 
                                                  The file
                                                  vehicle_poller.cpp
                                                  (and the _isotp and
                                                  vwtp parts to it) are
                                                  still pretty much as
                                                  they were with only a
                                                  change in class name..<br>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>I think I just
                                                    need the poller to
                                                    get its own values
                                                    of m_can1 etc and
                                                    provide a different
                                                    way of getting the
                                                    feedback results.</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>I also need to
                                                    make sure I'm not
                                                    cutting off the
                                                    'vehicle' class'
                                                    access to
                                                    non-solicited
                                                    messages (ie stuff
                                                    that is just on the
                                                    bus).</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>//.ichael</div>
                                                  <div><br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr"
                                                  class="gmail_attr">On
                                                  Mon, 11 Mar 2024 at
                                                  14:51, Michael Balzer
                                                  <<a
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div> Actually,
                                                    separating the
                                                    poller from the
                                                    vehicle was part of
                                                    the plan of
                                                    reworking it into a
                                                    job/worker
                                                    architecture. I see
                                                    no reason the
                                                    generalized poller
                                                    would need to remain
                                                    coupled to the
                                                    vehicle.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    That's why I placed
                                                    the OBD single
                                                    request command in
                                                    the "obdii"
                                                    hierarchy (although
                                                    a more proper naming
                                                    would have been e.g.
                                                    "isotp", but
                                                    changing the name or
                                                    having both would
                                                    confuse users -- and
                                                    meanwhile the poller
                                                    also supports a
                                                    non-ISO TP variant).<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Regards,<br>
                                                    Michael<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div>Am 11.03.24 um
                                                      00:51 schrieb Mark
                                                      Webb-Johnson:<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite">
                                                      Michael,
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>It depends on
                                                        whether the
                                                        poller can
                                                        *only* be used
                                                        in the vehicle
                                                        class or if it
                                                        is a framework
                                                        all by itself
                                                        (for example
                                                        with commands to
                                                        manually poll
                                                        specific PIDs,
                                                        etc).</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>If *only*
                                                        within vehicle
                                                        framework, then
                                                        putting it as a
                                                        sub-command
                                                        under ‘vehicle’
                                                        seems sensible.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>If more
                                                        general purpose,
                                                        then perhaps
                                                        look at ‘copen’
(component/canopen) as an example.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Regards,
                                                        Mark.<br
id="m_-5513604395682683428m_-6530510750802225784m_7080410411435481348m_-1225568278149805507m_7550483307298702614m_-8888443040235954155m_393746923709381916lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
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                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div>On 10 Mar
                                                          2024, at
                                                          7:25 AM,
                                                          Michael Geddes
                                                          <a
href="mailto:frog@bunyip.wheelycreek.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><frog@bunyip.wheelycreek.net></a> wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Hi all,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I know
                                                          some of this
                                                          (especially
                                                          for the
                                                          status)
                                                          functionality
                                                          is predicated
                                                          on code that's
                                                          not gone up
                                                          yet - however
                                                          this is
                                                          allowing
                                                          'pause' and
                                                          'resume' of
                                                          the poller
                                                          (which has
                                                          been merged).</div>
                                                          <div>My
                                                          question is
                                                          not so much
                                                          about the
                                                          functionality and
                                                          status
                                                          information,
                                                          but about the
                                                          location of
                                                          the <b>poller</b> subcommand.
                                                          (See below). </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Should
                                                          'vehicle' be
                                                          exclusively
                                                          for switching
                                                          the vehicle
                                                          type?  Should
                                                          the 'poller'
                                                          command be
                                                          top-level? 
                                                          Under obdii?  </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thoughts
                                                          welcome.</div>
                                                          <div>If you
                                                          do  vehicle
                                                          poller pause 
                                                          then the last
                                                          line reads 
                                                          'Vehicle OBD
                                                          Polling is
                                                          paused'</div>
                                                          <div>//.</div>
                                                          <div>-------8<----------------------------------------</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>OVMS#
                                                          vehicle ?</b><br>
                                                          Usage: vehicle
[list|module|poller|status]<br>
                                                          list          
                                                                Show
                                                          list of
                                                          available
                                                          vehicle
                                                          modules<br>
                                                          module        
                                                                Set (or
                                                          clear) vehicle
                                                          module<br>
                                                          poller        
                                                                OBD
                                                          polling status<br>
                                                          status        
                                                                Show
                                                          vehicle module
                                                          status<br>
                                                          <b>OVMS#
                                                          vehicle poller
                                                          ?</b><br>
                                                          Usage: vehicle
                                                          poller
                                                          [pause|resume]<br>
                                                          pause        
                                                                 Pause
                                                          OBD Polling<br>
                                                          resume        
                                                                Resume
                                                          OBD Polling<b><br>
                                                          </b>
                                                          <div><b>OVMS#
                                                          vehicle poller</b><br>
                                                          OBD Polling
                                                          running on bus
                                                          1 with an
                                                          active list<br>
                                                          Time between
                                                          polling ticks
                                                          is 1000ms with
                                                          1 secondary
                                                          sub-ticks<br>
                                                          Last poll
                                                          command
                                                          received 1s
                                                          (ticks) ago.<br>
                                                          Vehicle OBD
                                                          Polling is
                                                          running.<br>
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