<div dir="ltr"><img src="https://api2.activeinboxhq.com/1.0/anon/rr/3e281f88d3c522df9f727bbc624680e5" width="1" height="1" style="display:none !important"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I notice that my OVMS is sending poll requests but the OBD on my car is apparently off / non-responsive (but the 12v power on the OBD is obviously still there since the OVMS is running...</div><div><br></div><div>OVMS logs:</div><div><br></div><div><font face="monospace">E (4672161) can: can1: intr=16491786 rxpkt=2794 txpkt=12 errflags=0x8040d9 rxerr=0 txerr=128 rxovr=0 txovr=107 txdelay=30 wdgreset=0 errreset=0<br></font></div><div><br></div><div>"txovr" - overrun?  I guess?  And I saw that txdelay climb from 0 to 30 after a reboot and as packets queued up for sending.</div><div><br>I also see I'm not receiving any frames - the car normally sends a steady stream of idle or keep-alives or something - so from that I take it the BDC is off.</div><div><br>"can can1 status" is showing that interrupts are still being received but no packets.</div><div><br></div><div>When I did turn on the car it sent a stream of those frames.  OVMS I think dumped a backlog, then a message about overflow started streaming by and then the OVMS rebooted.</div><div><br>So it seems important that I stop sending polls in this situation (and perhaps flush the outbound queue?).</div><div><br>Perhaps I can just watch what's coming in and if I haven't seen any packets arrive for some seconds I should stop polling and if possible flush pending transmits.  Can start again when something turns up.<br>Can I find an example as to how to do something like this?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess I could manipulate the poll state, but for me it seems like this is actually a lower level thing since the canbus is actually dead and no polls can be done.</div><div><br>At the moment the blocked transmits seem to pile up in the queue and we end up sending many at once when the link comes back.<br><br></div><div>I found an argument "maxqueuewait" in the canbus calls (like Write) but it defaults to 0 which I guess is forever.  So for me it does make sense that polls should have a maxqueuewait that is less than the poll interval.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Or is there a well established way to deal with this?<br><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Steve<br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 20:47, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div>
    Steve,<br>
    <br>
    thanks for testing, glad it's working already. I'll do some more
    tests to be sure it doesn't affect normal polling, and merge into
    the master then. Probably not today though.<br>
    <br>
    Regarding the missing replies, most vehicles need some sort of
    diagnostic session to know they need to react to requests. That's
    normally done with the request type VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIISESSION
    (0x10) plus a session type. There are a few standard session types,
    but most vehicles use custom types you need to know.<br>
    <br>
    Sessions expire, so the request needs to be sent e.g. once per
    minute. But be aware that may lead to the vehicle staying awake
    indefinitely, so it's usually a good idea to detect the vehicle
    state by something you can determine without the need of a session.<br>
    <br>
    As your CAN statistics showed lots of received frames before you
    started transmitting some, it seems there are live data frames on
    the bus. I suggest looking for a vehicle status indicator in those
    frames. The RE toolkit is good for this.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>Am 13.12.20 um 19:15 schrieb Steve
      Davies:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">Hi,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>It seems to do what is expected - thanks, you are very
          fast!</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><font face="monospace">D (706161) vehicle: PollerSend(1):
            send [bus=0, type=22, pid=DDBC], expecting 6f107/607f1-607f1<br>
            V (706161) canlog-monitor: 1607882591.310736 1T11 6F1 07 03
            22 dd bc 00 00 00<br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font face="monospace"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font face="monospace">D (708161) vehicle: PollerSend(1):
            send [bus=0, type=22, pid=DD68], expecting 6f107/607f1-607f1<br>
            V (708161) canlog-monitor: 1607882593.310901 1T11 6F1 07 03
            22 dd 68 00 00 00<br>
          </font></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>But most times I don't get a reply.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>But not never - here's an example that worked:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><font face="monospace">D (896161) vehicle: PollerSend(1):
            send [bus=0, type=22, pid=DDBC], expecting 6f107/607f1-607f1<br>
            D (896211) vehicle: PollerReceive[607F1]: got OBD/UDS info
            22(DDBC) code=78 (pending)<br>
            D (896211) vehicle: PollerReceive[607F1]: process OBD/UDS
            response 22(DDBC) frm=0 len=2 off=0 rem=4<br>
            D (896211) vehicle: PollerReceive[607F1]: process OBD/UDS
            response 22(DDBC) frm=1 len=4 off=2 rem=0<br>
            D (896211) v-bmwi3: BMWI3: got SOC=86.7%<br>
            D (897161) vehicle: PollerSend(1): send [bus=0, type=22,
            pid=DD68], expecting 6f107/607f1-607f1<br>
            D (897211) vehicle: PollerReceive[607F1]: got OBD/UDS info
            22(DD68) code=78 (pending)<br>
            D (897211) vehicle: PollerReceive[607F1]: process OBD/UDS
            response 22(DD68) frm=0 len=2 off=0 rem=0<br>
            D (897211) v-bmwi3: BMWI3: got Volts=388.77V<br>
          </font></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The car is charging but otherwise "off" and locked. 
          Perhaps that has something to do with the lack of replies.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Steve</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 18:24,
          Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div> Steve,<br>
            <br>
            please try the poller rework I just pushed to the new
            "isotp-extadr" branch.<br>
            <br>
            These <font face="monospace">poll_pid_t</font> records
            would define the example shown in the ELM327 manual:<br>
            <br>
            <font face="monospace">    { 0x7b004, 0x7c0f1,
              VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIISESSION, 0x81, {  20, 0, 0 }, 0,
              ISOTP_EXTADR },<br>
                  { 0x7b004, 0x7c0f1, VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP,  
              0xa2, {  30, 0, 0 }, 0, ISOTP_EXTADR },</font><br>
            <br>
            I've used these + matching faked rx frames to verify the
            implementation.<br>
            <br>
            Your SOC poll should look like this:<br>
            <br>
            <font face="monospace">    { 0x6F107, 0x607F1,
              VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIEXTENDED, 0xDDBC, {  0, 10, 60 },
              0, ISOTP_EXTADR },<br>
            </font><br>
            …and your <font face="monospace">IncomingPollReply()</font>
            should receive the reply with <font face="monospace">pid ==
              0x607F1</font>.<br>
            <br>
            Please report your results.<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Michael<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>Am 13.12.20 um 11:33 schrieb Michael Balzer:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite"> Steve,<br>
              <br>
              sorry, totally missed that. That's very unusual, haven't
              seen that before. I first thought maybe that's using CAN
              extended frame mode, but that's a totally different thing:
              it seems the i3 uses the <b>ISO-TP extended addressing
                scheme</b>.<br>
              <br>
              Quoting from Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15765-2" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15765-2</a><br>
              <br>
              <blockquote type="cite"><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">ISO-TP
                  can be operated with its own addressing as so-called<span> </span></span><i style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Extended
                  Addressing</i><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>or
                  without address using only the CAN ID (so-called<span> </span></span><i style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Normal
                  Addressing</i><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">).
                  Extended addressing uses the first data byte of each
                  frame as an additional element of the address,
                  reducing the application payload by one byte.</span></blockquote>
              <br>
              So it's standard frames, with just an additional byte
              inserted before the protocol, used to extend the CAN ID.<br>
              <br>
              The OVMS poller doesn't support this yet.<br>
              <br>
              But it shouldn't be hard to add support for this, as it
              basically just fills the first frame byte from the lower 8
              bits of the TX and RX IDs, reduces the payload size by one
              byte and shifts the offsets by one. PollerSend() and
              PollerReceive() need to be extended for this, and
              poll_pid_t needs to be extended by an addressing scheme
              tag.<br>
              <br>
              I'll have a look. Tell me if you'd like to take care of
              this.<br>
              <br>
              Regards,<br>
              Michael<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <div>Am 13.12.20 um 09:58 schrieb Steve Davies:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div dir="ltr"><br>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 12 Dec
                      2020 at 17:28, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <div> </div>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <div>with log level verbose for canlog, you can
                        simply activate CAN logging via:<br>
                        <br>
                        <font face="monospace">can log start monitor
                          crtd</font><br>
                        <br>
                        …that will log all frames, if that's too much,
                        add a filter like this:<br>
                        <br>
                        <font face="monospace">can log start monitor
                          crtd 600-7ff</font></div>
                    </blockquote>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>To see what was happening I had to "log level
                      verbose canlog-monitor"</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I see this being transmitted:</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>V (62436161) canlog-monitor: 1607847148.142477
                      1T11 6F1 03 22 dd bc 00 00 00 00<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>There is no reply.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>The other app I looked at does this on the
                      LM327 as setup before sending the request:</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><font face="monospace">2020-11-15 10:34:35.115
                        --> ATCEA07⏎ "extended address" 0x07<br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.127 <-- OK⏎⏎><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Looking at the LM327 data sheet this configures
                      an "extended address" which is sent after the
                      0x6F1 </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I'm not sure if that 0x03 in what OVMS is
                      sending is that byte, and I need to somehow
                      replace it wih 07, or if I have to get another
                      inserted?</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Perhaps this is old hat to those more
                      experienced than me.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>From the data sheet and the trace it seems I'm
                      also responsible to customise the flow control
                      messages :-</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><font face="monospace">2020-11-15 10:34:35.129
                        --> ATFCSH6F1⏎ Flow control header<br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.141 <-- OK⏎⏎><br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.143 --> ATFCSD07300800⏎
                        Flow control data<br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.156 <-- OK⏎⏎><br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.157 --> ATFCSM1⏎ Flow
                        control mode<br>
                        2020-11-15 10:34:35.170 <-- OK⏎⏎><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I think that comes down to a flow control being
                      "06 F1 07 30 08 00"</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Here's the page in the LM327 to help understand
                      what it does:</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><img src="cid:1766102d84fcb971f161" alt="image.png" style="margin-right:25px"><br>
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