<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">About sending spoof replies to VCDS from OVMS:<br>If I disconnect the obd plug from car I also loose power to OVMS, don't I? Is there an easier way to solve that than buying an OBD extension cable and make the two CAN wires switchable?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 August 2020 10:31:54 CEST, Mark Webb-Johnson <mark@webb-johnson.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="">I can confirm this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please just use copy-and-paste of the text, if you can, rather than screenshots. It is much easier for us to work with.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img id="<part2.55FF2D02.46FAF64B@soko.cc>" alt="" class="Apple-web-attachment Apple-edge-to-edge-visual-media Singleton" style="opacity: 1;" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:part2.55FF2D02.46FAF64B@soko.cc"></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>This data is in <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">ISO-TP, ISO15765 format:</span><div class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7E5 03 22 is a request</span></li><li class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7ED 10 … is the first frame of the reply. It provides length, and some data</span></font></li><li class=""><font color="#000000" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7E5 30 is a request for more frames (with the inter-frame timing specified)</span></font></li><li class=""><font color="#000000" class="">The 7ED 21 and 7ED 22 are the two remaining multi-frame replies</font></li></ul><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>The data returned is:</div><div><br class=""></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div><font face="Andale Mono" class=""><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6 53 21 00 31 62 92 ff d0 88 04</span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>Assuming 4 bytes per data item returned, that would be:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><font face="Andale Mono" class=""><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 09 de e1</span></font></li><li class=""><font face="Andale Mono" class=""><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">ff f6 53 21</span></font></li><li class=""><font face="Andale Mono" class=""><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 31 62 92</span></font></li><li class=""><font face="Andale Mono" class=""><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">ff d0 88 04</span></font><br class=""></li></ul></div><div><br class=""></div><div>To try to decode the values, Michael’s advise is good. You will need a few good known values, along with corresponding data from the CAN bus.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>One thing I can suggest is to disconnect the car so you just have ovms and the tool on the bus. Then you can spoof replies:</div><div><br class=""></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div>can can1 tx standard 7ED 10 13 62 1e 32 00 09 de</div></div></div><div>...</div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>You can mess around with the values and see what the tool displays.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I also suggest you load a crtd dump into savvy can - as well as an ISO TP decoder, that has some utilities to analyse the data in different ways and show all the different variants of values. The DBC editor is pretty useful for that.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Aug 2020, at 3:36 PM, Soko <<a href="mailto:ovms@soko.cc" class="">ovms@soko.cc</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Morning,</p><p class="">Sorry, I reckon I've been at it for too long and did imply a lot
of things which are not obvious for someone who didn't do it a
million times already (as it feels to me :/ ). Let's do it step by
step and (hopefully) my error is somewhere in the early steps...</p><p class="">I have OVMS (no polls active) and VCDS connected to the OBD port
via a Y cable. In OVMS I turn the canlog on so I can see what VCDS
is sending...<br class="">
</p><p class="">In VCDS I go into the 8C ECU and choose "Erweiterte Messwerte".
There I have a list of all values which I can activate so VCDS
polls it from the ECU. VCDS polls/refreshes those chosen values
roughly 10 times a second.</p><p class="">So I activate AmpHrs charged and discharged, and KwH charged and
discharged from the list (4 values in total). VCDS shows me the
final converted values on the screen:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part1.BAF589E7.A15B4429@soko.cc"><mjbnpadlhnalnloe.png></span></p><p class="">OVMS logs the following on the bus:</p><p class=""><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<![endif]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 107%;
font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><tt class=""><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin" class=""></span></tt></span><span id="cid:part2.55FF2D02.46FAF64B@soko.cc"><lejcbcpkglbjjfae.png></span></p><p class="">As far as I understand it are the red lines the polls by VCDS (as
they are 7E5=the header of the ECU) and the green lines are the
replies. I don't understand the red "7E5 30..." line but I reckon
its just like a "Please give me the rest of the data".<br class="">
All 4 values are in the same PID "1E 32" (red, bold and underlined
above). And the green lines, the bold and underlined HEX values
are the actual data with the last "aa" being no part of it.<br class="">
This is my procedure to get the data bytes from the canlog-monitor
lines...Maybe here is my first error somewhere?!<br class="">
</p><p class="">So I have 16 bytes in total to get the 4 values VCDS is showing
me:<br class="">
<b class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6 53 21 00 31 62 92 ff d0 88 04</b></p><p class="">Simplicity and the value-Ids (some internal numbers) in the list
of VCDS suggest that same order as given above. So the first 4
bytes is AmpHrs Chrg, than AmpHrs Dischrg and so on. This leads us
to this relation:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part3.E257CB83.035FB7B2@soko.cc"><giamhgmdmpcelheb.png></span></p><p class="">I've also confirmed this by waiting (with ignition on) until the
last fraction of AmpHrs/kWh discharged values where changing in
VCDS to -1154,307 and -362,448 and comparing it with the changed
hex values. These hex numbers changed:<br class="">
<b class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6 53 2<u class=""><i class="">0</i></u><i class=""><u class=""></u></i> 00 31 62 92
ff d0 88 0<u class=""><i class="">3</i></u><i class=""><u class=""></u></i></b></p><p class="">Having said that: Not every change in the hex value changes the
display value. I have more detail data to this if needed...</p><p class="">The way they change suggests 2's complement storage. So let's
convert them into integers:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part4.00E53DB3.5BFF3DA6@soko.cc"><badiafagplgohkkj.png></span></p><p class="">Now, for kWh Dischrg as an example, the factor to get from
-3110908 to -326,447 is: -3110908/-362,447=8583,07007645256. This
is a weird one as all the other factors so far have been nice
numbers!</p><p class="">If I do this for all 4 values I get these factors:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part5.75181D70.7C1B76C2@soko.cc"><dncnhfckigkdlljc.png></span></p><p class="">This cannot be right and therefore a waited a few weeks and did
everything above again. The result was the same unfortunately:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part6.9355FCA8.85FFAB5D@soko.cc"><fiiimbljgldacoja.png></span></p><p class="">Some other values have an offset. Like the power-efficiency on
the charger-ECU. The value=0x00 means 75% and 0x06 means 75,6%.
It's a quite clever way of using just one byte for this value!<br class="">
So I thought they use some offset here to. But if I take the delta
of both days I logged I get the same factors:</p><p class=""><span id="cid:part7.5C760A7C.C1F7C79F@soko.cc"><nblbkolnjdkfbhpi.png></span></p><p class="">For AmpHrs Chrg the first value was 1177,611 and the value week
later was 1424,809 which gives the delta of 247,198.</p><p class="">So now I'm really out of ideas and thought I ask you guys. As you
can see all conversion factors are close to each other but not
exactly the same. And given that the VW engineers are quite clever
I can't accept they would use such weird factors for a conversion.</p><p class="">If you have now another look at the one screenshot I took in my
first mail you should understand it as it is just the complete
version of the bits I did here...</p><p class="">Any ideas are highly welcome.</p><p class="">Soko<br class="">
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