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<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Yeah, I've tried that but Thunderbird didn't let me color the
lines separately so I did screenshots.</p>
<p>So I understood ISO-TP, ISO15765 correctly without even knowing
what it was :D ;)</p>
<p>So its really up to interpreting the 16 bytes correctly.</p>
<p>I think I will give the car fakeing with OVMS a try next. I think
though it won't be that easy as VCDS polls the value with ~10Hz
and I can't type that fast :) <br>
It may goto into error if the replies take too long...</p>
<p>I've already tried to slow down the CPU where VCDS is running on.
Because the UI of VCDS shows briefly the HEX value before it
converts it to the real value. At least that's what I thought...
But all it displays before the real value is shown is "Please
wait..." :(</p>
<p>Soko<br>
</p>
<p>Your last paragraph contains many many words I don't know (yet).
So I have to look into all this stuff as well...<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18.08.2020 10:31, Mark Webb-Johnson
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2A567428-76C3-4EA9-9ADD-6DFE225F43E6@webb-johnson.net">
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<div class="">I can confirm this:</div>
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<div class="">Please just use copy-and-paste of the text, if you
can, rather than screenshots. It is much easier for us to work
with.</div>
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alt="" class="Apple-web-attachment
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This data is in <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">ISO-TP, ISO15765 format:</span>
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style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><br class="">
</span></font></div>
<div class="">
<ul class="MailOutline">
<li class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7E5 03 22 is a request</span></li>
<li class=""><font class="" color="#000000"><span
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7ED 10 …
is the first frame of the reply. It provides length, and
some data</span></font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" color="#000000"><span
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The 7E5 30
is a request for more frames (with the inter-frame
timing specified)</span></font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" color="#000000">The 7ED 21 and 7ED
22 are the two remaining multi-frame replies</font></li>
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<div>The data returned is:</div>
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0px;" class="">
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<div class="">
<div><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6
53 21 00 31 62 92 ff d0 88 04</span></font></div>
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<div>Assuming 4 bytes per data item returned, that would be:</div>
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<ul class="MailOutline">
<li class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 09 de e1</span></font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal;" class="">ff f6 53 21</span></font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal;" class="">00 31 62 92</span></font></li>
<li class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal;" class="">ff d0 88 04</span></font><br
class="">
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<div>To try to decode the values, Michael’s advise is good.
You will need a few good known values, along with
corresponding data from the CAN bus.</div>
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</div>
<div>One thing I can suggest is to disconnect the car so you
just have ovms and the tool on the bus. Then you can spoof
replies:</div>
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0px;" class="">
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<div class="">
<div>can can1 tx standard 7ED 10 13 62 1e 32 00 09 de</div>
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</div>
<div>...</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>You can mess around with the values and see what the tool
displays.</div>
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<div>I also suggest you load a crtd dump into savvy can - as
well as an ISO TP decoder, that has some utilities to
analyse the data in different ways and show all the
different variants of values. The DBC editor is pretty
useful for that.</div>
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</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
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<div class="">On 18 Aug 2020, at 3:36 PM, Soko <<a
href="mailto:ovms@soko.cc" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ovms@soko.cc</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class="">Morning,</p>
<p class="">Sorry, I reckon I've been at it for too
long and did imply a lot of things which are not
obvious for someone who didn't do it a million times
already (as it feels to me :/ ). Let's do it step by
step and (hopefully) my error is somewhere in the
early steps...</p>
<p class="">I have OVMS (no polls active) and VCDS
connected to the OBD port via a Y cable. In OVMS I
turn the canlog on so I can see what VCDS is
sending...<br class="">
</p>
<p class="">In VCDS I go into the 8C ECU and choose
"Erweiterte Messwerte". There I have a list of all
values which I can activate so VCDS polls it from
the ECU. VCDS polls/refreshes those chosen values
roughly 10 times a second.</p>
<p class="">So I activate AmpHrs charged and
discharged, and KwH charged and discharged from the
list (4 values in total). VCDS shows me the final
converted values on the screen:</p>
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id="cid:part1.BAF589E7.A15B4429@soko.cc"><mjbnpadlhnalnloe.png></span></p>
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class=""></span></tt></span><span
id="imap://abuseme%40soko%2Ecc@sslmailpool.ispgateway.de:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E6129?header=quotebody&part=1.1.2.2&filename=lejcbcpkglbjjfae.png"><lejcbcpkglbjjfae.png></span></p>
<p class="">As far as I understand it are the red
lines the polls by VCDS (as they are 7E5=the header
of the ECU) and the green lines are the replies. I
don't understand the red "7E5 30..." line but I
reckon its just like a "Please give me the rest of
the data".<br class="">
All 4 values are in the same PID "1E 32" (red, bold
and underlined above). And the green lines, the bold
and underlined HEX values are the actual data with
the last "aa" being no part of it.<br class="">
This is my procedure to get the data bytes from the
canlog-monitor lines...Maybe here is my first error
somewhere?!<br class="">
</p>
<p class="">So I have 16 bytes in total to get the 4
values VCDS is showing me:<br class="">
<b class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6 53 21 00 31 62 92 ff
d0 88 04</b></p>
<p class="">Simplicity and the value-Ids (some
internal numbers) in the list of VCDS suggest that
same order as given above. So the first 4 bytes is
AmpHrs Chrg, than AmpHrs Dischrg and so on. This
leads us to this relation:</p>
<p class=""><span
id="cid:part3.E257CB83.035FB7B2@soko.cc"><giamhgmdmpcelheb.png></span></p>
<p class="">I've also confirmed this by waiting (with
ignition on) until the last fraction of AmpHrs/kWh
discharged values where changing in VCDS to
-1154,307 and -362,448 and comparing it with the
changed hex values. These hex numbers changed:<br
class="">
<b class="">00 09 de e1 ff f6 53 2<u class=""><i
class="">0</i></u> 00 31 62 92 ff d0 88 0<u
class=""><i class="">3</i></u></b></p>
<p class="">Having said that: Not every change in the
hex value changes the display value. I have more
detail data to this if needed...</p>
<p class="">The way they change suggests 2's
complement storage. So let's convert them into
integers:</p>
<p class=""><span
id="cid:part4.00E53DB3.5BFF3DA6@soko.cc"><badiafagplgohkkj.png></span></p>
<p class="">Now, for kWh Dischrg as an example, the
factor to get from -3110908 to -326,447 is:
-3110908/-362,447=8583,07007645256. This is a weird
one as all the other factors so far have been nice
numbers!</p>
<p class="">If I do this for all 4 values I get these
factors:</p>
<p class=""><span
id="cid:part5.75181D70.7C1B76C2@soko.cc"><dncnhfckigkdlljc.png></span></p>
<p class="">This cannot be right and therefore a
waited a few weeks and did everything above again.
The result was the same unfortunately:</p>
<p class=""><span
id="cid:part6.9355FCA8.85FFAB5D@soko.cc"><fiiimbljgldacoja.png></span></p>
<p class="">Some other values have an offset. Like the
power-efficiency on the charger-ECU. The value=0x00
means 75% and 0x06 means 75,6%. It's a quite clever
way of using just one byte for this value!<br
class="">
So I thought they use some offset here to. But if I
take the delta of both days I logged I get the same
factors:</p>
<p class=""><span
id="cid:part7.5C760A7C.C1F7C79F@soko.cc"><nblbkolnjdkfbhpi.png></span></p>
<p class="">For AmpHrs Chrg the first value was
1177,611 and the value week later was 1424,809 which
gives the delta of 247,198.</p>
<p class="">So now I'm really out of ideas and thought
I ask you guys. As you can see all conversion
factors are close to each other but not exactly the
same. And given that the VW engineers are quite
clever I can't accept they would use such weird
factors for a conversion.</p>
<p class="">If you have now another look at the one
screenshot I took in my first mail you should
understand it as it is just the complete version of
the bits I did here...</p>
<p class="">Any ideas are highly welcome.</p>
<p class="">Soko<br class="">
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