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    The vehicle type name is no configuration parameter, it's a fixed
    property of the vehicle class.<br>
    <br>
    The vehicle to use is configured by the vehicle type only.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.08.20 um 20:24 schrieb Chris van
      der Meijden:<br>
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      cite="mid:1597256653.8344.11.camel@arachnon.de">
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      <div>Sorry, I'm just not sure if we are talking about the same
        param ...</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>We now define VWUP.T26A like this</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>MyVehicleFactory.<span class="pl-smi">RegisterVehicle</span><VWeUpT26>(<span
          class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>VWUP.T26<span
            class="pl-pds">"</span></span>, <span class="pl-s"><span
            class="pl-pds">"</span>VW e-Up (Komfort CAN)<span
            class="pl-pds">"</span></span>);</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Before the splitting we had ("VWUP", "VW e-Up") at
        RegisterVehicle. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>My question is do I need to change "VW e-Up" to <span
          class="pl-s"><span class="pl-pds">"</span>VW e-Up (Komfort
          CAN)<span class="pl-pds">"</span></span>) in the upgrade
        function or is this done automaticly when I change "VWUP" to
        "VWUP.T26".</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thanx</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Chris</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Am Mittwoch, den 12.08.2020, 19:57 +0200 schrieb Michael
        Balzer:</div>
      <blockquote type="cite"> Config → Vehicle → Vehicle name<br>
        <br>
        It doesn't have a technical use yet, it won't get filled
        automatically. It's just a free vehicle name (as the placeholder
        says).<br>
        <br>
        Regards,<br>
        Michael<br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.08.20 um 19:34 schrieb Chris
          van der Meijden:<br>
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          <div>Hey Michael</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thanx.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Does the human readable vehicle ID description ("VW e-Up
            (Komfort CAN)") matter at all, or will it be filled out
            automaticly by the new vehicle ID configuration? If not, how
            do I set that param?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Regards</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Chris</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Am Mittwoch, den 12.08.2020, 19:18 +0200 schrieb Michael
            Balzer:</div>
          <blockquote type="cite"> Chris,<br>
            <br>
            yes, that would do. But…<br>
            <br>
            a) you shouldn't overwrite the vehicle name, that's a user
            configuration, and<br>
            <br>
            b) if you would overwrite the vehicle name, you would set
            "name" in "vehicle", not "vehicle.name" in "auto" (which
            doesn't exist).<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            Michael<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.08.20 um 18:59 schrieb
              Chris van der Meijden:<br>
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              <div>Hi Michael</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I found some time for the "hanging upgrade" issue
                since we splitted the vehicle ID from VWUP to VWUP.T26
                and VWUP.OBD.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Would this code in ovms_config.cpp within
                OvmsConfig::upgrade() prevent the "hanging" after an
                upgrade?</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>// Migrate vehicle ID VWUP to VWUP.T26</div>
              <div>if (GetParamValue("auto", "vehicle.type") == "VWUP")</div>
              <pre>   {</pre>
              <pre>   S<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">etParamValue("auto", "vehicle.type", "VWUP.T26");</span></pre>
              <pre><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">   </span>S<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">etParamValue("auto", "vehicle.name", "VW e-Up (Komfort CAN)");</span></pre>
              <pre><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">   }</span></pre>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>If so, I would put that in a pull request as soon as
                we have a new "release worthy" version?</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Thanx for checking.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Greetinx</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Chris</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Am Freitag, den 31.07.2020, 11:34 +0200 schrieb
                Michael Balzer:</div>
              <blockquote type="cite"> Chris,<br>
                <br>
                the framework shouldn't get stuck if a vehicle cannot be
                loaded, it should fall back to booting without a
                vehicle. I'll have a look at that.<br>
                <br>
                Btw, to automatically update user configurations, you
                can extend OvmsConfig::upgrade(). Users shouldn't need
                to take care of special update preparations.<br>
                <br>
                Regards,<br>
                Michael<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.07.20 um 11:05
                  schrieb Chris van der Meijden:<br>
                </div>
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                  cite="mid:1596186326.2615.2.camel@arachnon.de">
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                  <div>Welcome to my trial and error T26A world :-))</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This morning I flashed the new T26A/OBD version
                    to my OVMS. After the OTA flash the device did not
                    come back to the networks. Only USB terminal access
                    was left.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The reason was, that I did no remove the old
                    vehicle config "VWUP" before flashing and rebooting.
                    The new image has "VWUP.T26" and "VWUP.OBD" as
                    vehicle config, but no more "VWUP". So the device
                    could not find its vehicle config and got stuck.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>From the USB terminal I bootet back to OTA_0,
                    said in the vehicle config that my vehicle was a
                    Nissan Leaf and then booted back to OTA_1. The
                    device came up with the new firmware and I could
                    change the vehicle config to "VWUP (Komfort CAN)".</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Everything is now running fine ...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I will write this down in the documentation for
                    the e-Up.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Greetinx</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Chris</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Am Freitag, den 31.07.2020, 09:50 +0200 schrieb
                    Michael Balzer:</div>
                  <blockquote type="cite"> Soko,<br>
                    <br>
                    you only had the door open, but not turned on the
                    car? If there are additional buses, they may be
                    switched off until the car is turned on…<br>
                    <br>
                    The OBD connector scheme is the general pin
                    assignment, I meant the specific VW e-Up schematics.
                    But if you don't see any voltages with the car
                    turned on, that's bad news.<br>
                    <br>
                    There may still be some command interface for the
                    OBD gateway to enable live data, but without any
                    info about the gateway, it will be hard to even find
                    out how to address it.<br>
                    <br>
                    Regards,<br>
                    Michael<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.07.20 um 09:06
                      schrieb Soko:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite"
                      cite="mid:d26bd0bc-4f57-d727-1b86-183c030fbbb3@soko.cc">
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                      <p>Hey guys,</p>
                      <p>If I did nothing wrong I have bad news:</p>
                      <p>@Michael:<br>
                        With OBD port schematics I think you mean this <a
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics#OBD-II_diagnostic_connector"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics#OBD-II_diagnostic_connector</a><br>
                        Specifically if there are some other pins used
                        than the standard CAN pins 6 and 14.<br>
                        So I had the drivers door open, no key in
                        ignition and measured the voltages of all pins
                        in relation to pin 5 (signal ground). There is
                        no voltage on any pin besides 2.5V on 6 and 14,
                        and 12V on 16 of course. So there are no hidden
                        CAN buses (or any other signals) afaict.</p>
                      <p>@Mark:<br>
                        Thanks for the hint with the can log. It's way
                        easier than RE Tools for just checking if there
                        is any traffic.<br>
                        Having said that... there is no traffic
                        whatsoever besides what I am polling and the
                        reply. Even when ignition is on I only see the
                        poll and the reply on the can log</p>
                      <p>So it seems devmarxx was right: The gateway
                        shields everything and there are even no other
                        hidden signals on the OBD port.</p>
                      <p>I'm happy to try any other ideas you guys have.
                        Just let me know!</p>
                      <p>Soko<br>
                      </p>
                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31.07.2020 02:11,
                        Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:<br>
                      </div>
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                        cite="mid:9A478EA0-DC29-4367-A25D-9407EAEB2E8F@webb-johnson.net">
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                        If you are just looking for traffic on the CAN
                        bus, a simple can log would be the easiest.
                        Assuming you are on USB console, it is:
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                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
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                          <div class="">OVMS# log level verbose
                            canlog-monitor</div>
                          <div class="">OVMS# can log start monitor crtd</div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>If you are using ssh, you need to add a:</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
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                          <div class="">
                            <div>OVMS# log monitor yes</div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>To stop the logging:</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
                          none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div>OVMS# can log stop</div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>Documentation here:</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
                          none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div><a
                                href="https://docs.openvehicles.com/en/latest/crtd/can_logging.html"
                                class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.openvehicles.com/en/latest/crtd/can_logging.html</a></div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div>For my work, I personally prefer this
                                arrangement:</div>
                              <div><br class="">
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px;
                              border: none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                              <div>OVMS# can log start tcpserver
                                transmit gvret-b :23</div>
                            </blockquote>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                                color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class="">
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                              color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">And then I use <a
                                href="https://www.savvycan.com/"
                                class="" moz-do-not-send="true">SavvyCAN</a> on
                              a laptop to connect over wifi and work.</div>
                            <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                              color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class="">
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>Regarding the ‘re’ system, it is a
                            work-in-progress, and not currently
                            documented. It is still kind of a mess at
                            the moment (particularly for multiplexed
                            message IDs), as I continue to work on DBC
                            integration. That said, it is basically
                            functional.</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>To start it:</div>
                        <div><br class="">
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
                          none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div>OVMS# re start</div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>To stop it:</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
                          none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div>OVMS# re stop</div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>To see discovered IDs:</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border:
                          none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div>OVMS# re list</div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class="">
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>It will (by default) listen on all open
                            CAN buses, and show you the discovered ID,
                            message count, interval (in ms), and last
                            message seen.</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div>It has some rudimentary ability to
                            monitor active polling protocols with ‘re
                            obdii extended <min> <max>’ (or
                            standard), specifying the range of IDs used
                            by the ECUs.</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div>Regards, Mark</div>
                          <div><br class="">
                            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                              <div class="">On 30 Jul 2020, at 11:56 PM,
                                Soko <<a href="mailto:ovms@soko.cc"
                                  class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ovms@soko.cc</a>>
                                wrote:</div>
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                                  <p class="">@devmarxx: Is there any
                                    doc/guide on how to use this RE
                                    Tools?</p>
                                  <p class="">@Michael: Yeah, I know.
                                    You would have done my 1-day work in
                                    5 mins. I know C++ but I don't know
                                    the OVMS framework. But its like
                                    with any project: The issue is not
                                    the language, its the framework.</p>
                                  <p class="">Until you have yours you
                                    have to settle with me unfortunately
                                    ;)</p>
                                  <p class="">My cousin has a working
                                    VCDS HEX interface and I have an
                                    y-adapter so I can listen with an
                                    ELM327 adapter to the commands VCDS
                                    is sending. Maybe I can find any car
                                    status there. Device 09 is a good
                                    hint. <br class="">
                                  </p>
                                  <p class="">But as you said: I have
                                    still have to poll this, even if I
                                    find a status.</p>
                                  <p class="">I can't say (of course) if
                                    there's another CAN bus @ OBD port.
                                    All this CAN/OBD/Bus stuff is
                                    completely new to me.. ModBus
                                    RTU/TCP, MBus etc. I would know ;)</p>
                                  <p class="">So if you can point me in
                                    any direction what to try - or what
                                    you would do - I happy to dig into
                                    it.</p>
                                  <p class="">Soko</p>
                                  <p class="">PS: Any idea when you'll
                                    get your Mii?<br class="">
                                  </p>
                                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                    30.07.2020 17:14, Michael Balzer
                                    wrote:<br class="">
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                                    If only I had my Mii already…<br
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                                    If the OBD port is shielded from the
                                    CAN traffic, you need to poll some
                                    device. ECU = Engine Control Unit =
                                    device 01.<br class="">
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                                    I would suspect the basic car status
                                    info to be available from device 09
                                    (central electrics), but it seems no
                                    PIDs have been RE'd from there yet.
                                    So maybe you need to derive the info
                                    from some other mode/status
                                    register.<br class="">
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                                    It's bad needing to continuosly poll
                                    to get the live status data. Is
                                    possibly another, unfiltered CAN bus
                                    available at the OBD port?<br
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                                    <br class="">
                                    Regards,<br class="">
                                    Michael<br class="">
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                                    <br class="">
                                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                      30.07.20 um 16:43 schrieb Soko:<br
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                                      <p class="">Ahhh OK, I've found
                                        OvmsVehicle::virtual void
                                        TickerXXX(uint32_t ticker);<br
                                          class="">
                                        Got it! This was exactly my
                                        issue as I didn't know about any
                                        function which gets called
                                        regularly so I could check
                                        something like this...<br
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                                        It's not an ideal situation
                                        though: I just can slow down the
                                        poll after my fail-counter gets
                                        too high as I need to check when
                                        the car gets powered again. So
                                        all I can do is polling, lets
                                        say every 60 secs when the car
                                        is off, and increase it once its
                                        on. But there is now way around
                                        this 60-sec polling if the only
                                        thing I can do is poll :(<br
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                                      <p class="">Afaik there is only
                                        the sharkcow's list below,
                                        reverse engineered by him from
                                        ODBeleven.</p>
                                      <p class="">(dev)marxx exlpained
                                        to me: There is a gateway
                                        between the CAN-Buses and the
                                        OBD Connector in all VW-AG
                                        vehicles which only replies to
                                        polls and also acts as security
                                        gateway if you want to write to
                                        the buses.</p>
                                      <p class="">So I think I cannot
                                        really do a can log or use re
                                        tool as the OBD interface stays
                                        quiet if I'm not polling it...</p>
                                      <p class="">And as there is no
                                        other vehicle from
                                        VW,Seat,Skoda,Audi,etc. in OVMS.
                                        So I have no cheat-sheet :(</p>
                                      <p class="">Anyhow... I would need
                                        to poll one ECU (is this the
                                        correct therm?) which doesn't
                                        shuts down... or maybe the issue
                                        is the OBD-gateway shutting
                                        down.<br class="">
                                      </p>
                                      <p class="">What do you think?</p>
                                      <p class="">Soko<br class="">
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                                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                        30.07.2020 16:17, Michael Balzer
                                        wrote:<br class="">
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                                        Soko,<br class="">
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                                        nice progress :-)<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        If you can't detect vehicle
                                        state by listening to regular
                                        status CAN frames, you can check
                                        the time since the last poll
                                        reply in the per second ticker.<br
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                                        <br class="">
                                        As poll replies normally come in
                                        fast, you should be able to
                                        detect a switch-off by a small
                                        timeout, say 3 seconds… probably
                                        need to add a counter, as a
                                        single poll may get lost /
                                        ignored.<br class="">
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                                        CAN tx errors can be caused by
                                        other issues as well, so should
                                        generally not be interpreted
                                        that way.<br class="">
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                                        But… are you sure there are no
                                        status frames on the bus? Have
                                        you done a can log or tried the
                                        re tool?<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        Regards,<br class="">
                                        Michael<br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        <br class="">
                                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                          30.07.20 um 14:43 schrieb
                                          Soko:<br class="">
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                                          class="">Hi guys, <br
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                                          <br class="">
                                          Want to report success on
                                          connecting and reading my VW
                                          e-Up via OBD cable using the
                                          Poller. As you can see in the
                                          screenshot of the log attached
                                          I get an IncomingPollReply(..)
                                          call and an SoC value of
                                          33.333% <br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          Once I turn of the ignition
                                          and lock the car though I
                                          don't get any replies no more
                                          (line D 793813) and then I get
                                          can1 errors... I'm polling
                                          with 10 seconds intervall. <br
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                                          <br class="">
                                          I know that this is as it
                                          should be... but my issue is:
                                          I don't have any way to know
                                          if the ignition is on, the key
                                          is in, the car is running, the
                                          car is charging as the PIDs
                                          are not known for such values
                                          (afaik by the lists of
                                          sharkcow <a
                                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.goingelectric.de/wiki/Liste-der-OBD2-Codes/"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.goingelectric.de/wiki/Liste-der-OBD2-Codes/</a>).
                                          <br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          So what would be the best
                                          approach to change the
                                          different polling states? Can
                                          I somehow get called (in my
                                          vehicle-class) if an can-error
                                          is thrown? Then I would
                                          increase the poll frequency. <br
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                                          <br class="">
                                          Any suggestions? <br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          thanks <br class="">
                                          <br class="">
                                          Soko <br class="">
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