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  <body><div>Hi Michael,</div><div><br></div><div>the antenna seems not to be active according to the wiring diagram and some forum posts I found.</div><div><br></div><div>I double checked the connection of GPS and GSM. Seems to OK ...</div><div><br></div><div>Greetinx</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 08:01 +0200 schrieb Michael Balzer:</div><blockquote type="cite">
    Chris,<br>
    <br>
    two additional thoughts:<br>
    <br>
    - maybe the VW antenna contains a GSM and a GPS antenna (?), and you
    connected the wrong one?<br>
    <br>
    - maybe the VW antenna is an active one and needs a supply voltage
    which is currently missing?<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.08.20 um 07:24 schrieb Mark
      Webb-Johnson:<br>
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      <div class="">Or the VW antenna is way off on specification.</div>
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      <div class="">Regards, Mark.<br class="">
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            <div class="">On 5 Aug 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris van der
              Meijden <<a href="mailto:chris@arachnon.de" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@arachnon.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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                <div class="">Thank you for your response.</div>
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                <div class="">That leaves me with a poor home made SMA
                  to Fakra adapter cable, I guess ...</div>
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                <div class="">Regards</div>
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                </div>
                <div class="">Chris</div>
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                <div class="">Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 09:27 +0800
                  schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:</div>
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">The antenna surely
                  helps, but in some locations you can receive a signal
                  with a piece of wet string resting on the antenna
                  connection. Seriously. At my office desktop, I still
                  get 3G without an antenna connected (but I don’t
                  recommend it due to possible feedback in the modem
                  module).
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                  <div class="">These are not binary on/off situations.
                    An antenna rated to 1710-1990 will still work at
                    1991, or even 2100, but just not optimally with the
                    best reception or transmission.<br class="">
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                    <div class="">The original Fasttech antennas were
                      designed for 2G (OVMS v2), but should still cover
                      some 3G ranges optimally. The newer ones (from
                      Medlock in USA and OpenEnergyMonitor in UK) should
                      cover all ranges (up to and including 4G LTE) -
                      and we used these for radio certification so have
                      been very thoroughly tested at all the supported
                      2G and 3G frequency ranges.</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
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                        <div class="">On 5 Aug 2020, at 12:21 AM, Chris
                          van der Meijden <<a href="mailto:chris@arachnon.de" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@arachnon.de</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
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                            <div class="">Still digging on the subject
                              ...</div>
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                            <div class="">Today I took my original
                              Fasttech OVMS v2 antenna out of my Nissan
                              Leaf and connected it to the OVMS v3 in
                              our VW e-Up. And surprise, surprise I got
                              direct connection over the SIM to the
                              network.</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">The VW antenna gives me -101
                              dBm, the Fasttech antenna gives me -91
                              dBm.</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">So I took a look at the
                              frequencies ...</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">The old fasttech antenna has a
                              frequency range of 824-960 / 1710-1990.
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">o2 (my SIM card provider) uses
                              GSM 900 and GSM+LTE 1800 for 2g (4g LTE
                              cannot be used on the SIM5360) and uses
                              UMTS 2100 for 3g.</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">Now I have two theories on
                              what make things go wrong with the VW
                              antenna, but work with the fasttech
                              antenna:</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">1. My home made sma / fakra
                              adapter cable to the VW antenna is bad
                              (could be, but in the city it connects)</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">2. Because 3g on 2100 mHz is
                              not available through the fasttech
                              antenna, OVMS v3 is forced to 2g and
                              everything runs fine.</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">Any corrections on the second
                              theory are welcome. I'm guessing ...</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">I will buy an other sma 2g/3g
                              antenna just to get rid of the problem,
                              but will also continue thinking on this
                              one.</div>
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">Greetinx</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class="">Chris</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
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                            <div class="">Am Montag, den 03.08.2020,
                              12:31 +0200 schrieb Chris van der Meijden:</div>
                            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                              <div class="">Hi Michael</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                              </div>
                              <div class="">yeah, economical visionaries
                                are always a lot of fun :-))</div>
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                              </div>
                              <div class="">I read that "GSM voices
                                services" line too and checked on that
                                with my mobile phone. I restricted the
                                connection of the phone with
                                *#*#4636#*#* to "GSM auto (PRL)" and it
                                connects to EDGE. So data over GSM is
                                available ...</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                              </div>
                              <div class="">Still mysterious. Will dig
                                some more ...</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                              </div>
                              <div class="">Greetinx</div>
                              <div class=""><br class="">
                              </div>
                              <div class="">Chris</div>
                              <div class=""> </div>
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                              <div class="">Am Montag, den 03.08.2020,
                                12:21 +0200 schrieb Michael Balzer:</div>
                              <blockquote type="cite" class=""> Chris,<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                we don't tell the modem to restrict
                                itself in any way. Bugs in the modem
                                firmware are likely, but I think a
                                serious bug like this would have been
                                solved early.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                I've read the pilot description now, and
                                you need to pay attention to this
                                section:<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <blockquote type="cite" class="">statt
                                  der üblichen drei Dienste LTE, UMTS
                                  und GSM kommen in Kirchfarrnbach "nur"
                                  LTE 800 und LTE 900 für die
                                  Datenversorgung sowie GSM für
                                  Sprachdienste und SMS zum Einsatz. Auf
                                  UMTS haben die Funknetzplaner hier
                                  verzichtet, weil bereits LTE und GSM
                                  alle Anforderungen der Bevölkerung
                                  erfüllen.</blockquote>
                                <br class="">
                                …translated…<br class="">
                                <blockquote type="cite" class="">Instead
                                  of the usual three services LTE, UMTS
                                  and GSM, "only" LTE 800 and LTE 900
                                  are used in Kirchfarrnbach for data
                                  supply as well as GSM for voice
                                  services and SMS. The radio network
                                  planners have dispensed with UMTS here
                                  because LTE and GSM already meet all
                                  the requirements of the population.</blockquote>
                                <br class="">
                                So you have neither UMTS nor EDGE. GSM
                                is only available for voice streams and
                                SMS. Data is only available via LTE.<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Your only option is to tell them they're
                                a bunch of … outstanding economical
                                visionaries, who could possibly consider
                                rethinking their IoT compatibility ;-)<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Regards,<br class="">
                                Michael<br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.08.20
                                  um 11:33 schrieb Chris van der
                                  Meijden:<br class="">
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                                <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1596447186.2720.4.camel@arachnon.de" class="">
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                                  <div class="">I did some more reading
                                    on the SIM5360 and also digged a bit
                                    through the simcom source. Found
                                    loads of AT-commands there :-)</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">I could not find an AT
                                    command to restrict the selection to
                                    2g. Perhaps I did not look deep
                                    enough, but if someone knows the
                                    command ...</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">I'm still thinking why
                                    the automatic fallback to 2g does
                                    not happen. </div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">- The transmitter offers
                                    only 2g (GSM 900 mHz) and LTE (800
                                    or 1800). No 3g.</div>
                                  <div class="">- I have a signal
                                    strength of -110 to -100 dBm</div>
                                  <div class="">- AT+COPS? gives me an
                                    empty response.</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Could it be possible,
                                    that somewhere in the code something
                                    like</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">- I don't have 3g</div>
                                  <div class="">- I do have LTE</div>
                                  <div class="">- Lets try LTE</div>
                                  <div class="">- I see LTE</div>
                                  <div class="">- I have no hardware for
                                    LTE</div>
                                  <div class="">- OK, don't do anything</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">happens? So somehow
                                    fallback to 2g never happens?</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Just guessing around ...</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Regards</div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Chris</div>
                                  <div class=""> </div>
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">Am Montag, den
                                    03.08.2020, 10:10 +0800 schrieb Mark
                                    Webb-Johnson:</div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">The
                                    SIM5360E should auto-switch between
                                    2G and 3G. It supports the following
                                    frequency bands:
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0
                                      40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class="">
                                      <div class=""><span style="font-family: arial,
                                          verdana, helvetica,
                                          sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
                                          font-variant-ligatures:
                                          normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;
                                          background-color: rgb(255,
                                          255, 255);" class="">GSM/GPRS/EDGE
                                          850/900/1800/1900MHz;</span></div>
                                      <div class=""><span style="font-family: arial,
                                          verdana, helvetica,
                                          sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
                                          font-variant-ligatures:
                                          normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;
                                          background-color: rgb(255,
                                          255, 255);" class="">UMTS/HSPA+
                                          900/2100MHz</span></div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">There are SIMCOM
                                      options/commands to restrict the
                                      selection, but the default is
                                      automatic.</div>
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                      <div class="">Regards, Mark</div>
                                      <div class=""><br class="">
                                        <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                          <div class="">On 2 Aug 2020,
                                            at 6:40 PM, Chris van der
                                            Meijden <<a href="mailto:chris@arachnon.de" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@arachnon.de</a>>
                                            wrote:</div>
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                                              <div class="">Hey Michael</div>
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                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Thanx for
                                                the help :-)</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">The AT
                                                commands are working
                                                now, but as expected no
                                                connection at all. So
                                                also no fallback to 2g.
                                                Or no GPRS offered on 2g
                                                ...</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Here some
                                                (German) information on
                                                the "site lite"
                                                transmitters:</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><a href="https://www.telekom.com/de/blog/netz/artikel/standort-light-pilotprojekt-552152" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.telekom.com/de/blog/netz/artikel/standort-light-pilotprojekt-552152</a></div>
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                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">I also did
                                                not find any AT command
                                                for the SIM5360 to force
                                                2g. I will play a bit
                                                around with the modem in
                                                the next days. Will also
                                                try congstar, I do have
                                                a congstar SIM laying
                                                around here ...</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Greetinx</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Chris</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Am Sonntag,
                                                den 02.08.2020, 10:59
                                                +0200 schrieb Michael
                                                Balzer:</div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite" class=""> Chris,<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                how to send modem
                                                commands and read the
                                                responses:<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <tt class="">OVMS# log
                                                  level debug simcom</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">Logging
                                                  level for simcom set
                                                  to debug</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">OVMS#
                                                  simcom cmd AT+COPS?</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">SIMCOM
                                                  command has been sent.</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164488782) simcom: tx
                                                  mcmd ch=4 len=10  :
                                                  AT+COPS?</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164488792) simcom: rx
                                                  line ch=4 len=23  :
                                                  +COPS:
                                                  0,0,"congstar",2</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164488802) simcom: rx
                                                  line ch=4 len=2   : OK</tt><br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                Now let's see if we have
                                                3G:<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <tt class="">OVMS#
                                                  simcom cmd AT+CPSI?</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">SIMCOM
                                                  command has been sent.</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164693462) simcom: tx
                                                  mcmd ch=4 len=10  :
                                                  AT+CPSI?</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164693482) simcom: rx
                                                  line ch=4 len=85  :
                                                  +CPSI:
                                                  WCDMA,Online,262-01,0x16C3,7824927,WCDMA
                                                  IMT
                                                  2000,454,10836,0,7.5,104,18,8,500</tt><tt class=""><br class="">
                                                </tt><tt class="">D
                                                  (164693482) simcom: rx
                                                  line ch=4 len=2   : OK</tt><br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                Yes. Well, no surprise,
                                                Telekom network :-).<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                The SIM5360 is supposed
                                                to automatically fall
                                                back to 2G if 3G isn't
                                                available. On a quick
                                                browse through the
                                                manual, I didn't find a
                                                command to force 2G,
                                                just one to lock to a
                                                specific 2G cell… you
                                                could do that depending
                                                on your location, but
                                                maybe you should first
                                                inspect your modem
                                                status now.<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                Regards,<br class="">
                                                Michael<br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                                  02.08.20 um 09:39
                                                  schrieb Chris van der
                                                  Meijden:<br class="">
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                                                  <div class="">Hi all</div>
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                                                  <div class="">I'm
                                                    trying to understand
                                                    some principals of
                                                    the SIM connection
                                                    methods of OVMS.</div>
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                                                  <div class="">Reason
                                                    is that I recently
                                                    moved from "the big
                                                    city" Munich to the
                                                    very much rural
                                                    village Thalham. In
                                                    Thalham we have so
                                                    called "lite" mobile
                                                    transmitters. These
                                                    transmitters are
                                                    installed, as far as
                                                    I understood, to
                                                    safe money and to
                                                    prepare the
                                                    transition of the
                                                    providers to 4g /
                                                    5g. They are forcing
                                                    the frequencies
                                                    towards the 4g band
                                                    with those.</div>
                                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">So these
                                                    transmitters seem to
                                                    offer only 2g and
                                                    4g, but no more 3g
                                                    (really ???).</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">I don't
                                                    have any network
                                                    connection with the
                                                    SIM in my OVMS here
                                                    in Thalham. In the
                                                    next village Zolling
                                                    I have connection.
                                                    In Zolling they
                                                    don't have the
                                                    "lite" transmitters,
                                                    but still have full
                                                    3g support. The
                                                    antenna of my OVMS
                                                    is working well
                                                    (-100 dBm to -70
                                                    dBm).</div>
                                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Now my
                                                    questions ...</div>
                                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Does
                                                    OVMS have a fallback
                                                    on SIM5360 Europe to
                                                    2g (EDGE) if 3g is
                                                    not available?</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">I also
                                                    did some reading in
                                                    the modem
                                                    documentation and
                                                    tried to send some
                                                    AT commands. Goal is
                                                    to try to force the
                                                    SIM into 2g mode. I
                                                    tried i.e.</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">simcom
                                                    muxtx 2 AT+COPS?</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">to get
                                                    some information
                                                    from the SIM, but I
                                                    don't get an answer
                                                    on that command at
                                                    all. No matter what
                                                    channel I try. Am I
                                                    missing something
                                                    there?</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Thanx
                                                    for input.</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Regards</div>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Chris</div>
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