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Hi Michael, Mark,<br>
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Ok, very interesting that this is an old feature. I only just
started seeing the message very recently. What changed?<br>
<br>
As to "Awake" vs "On" vs "Ignited", they are definitely different.
I am seeing the correct state reflected in v.e.awake and v.e.on.
Simply opening the car door when the car is asleep will wake it up
(v.e.awake turns to yes), and inserting the key and moving it to the
"Accessory" position (first notch) moves the state to "On" (both
metrics are "yes"). Note that the car is not On (drivable) until
the key is moved one notch farther; I'm presuming that's "Ignited"
in your terminology. <br>
<br>
But something has changed. I have an event script tied to
vehicle.on which activates ext12v power to enable a HUD or similar
(*). Simply awakening the car triggers the script, a behavior I
believe is new, and incorrect. The script should get activated only
when the key is moved to Accessory (your "On" state). When the car
goes directly back to sleep after a few minutes, the vehicle.off
script correctly does not trigger. Turning the car to Accessory,
then Off (removing the key), does correctly trigger the vehicle.off
script, even though the car is still Awake at the time.<br>
<br>
So what I think is happening with the "Vehicle is idling" message is
that it's a side effect of some logic change to what "on" is, that
it's being sensed and triggered by "Awake" instead of "On". The car
is definitely Awake during charging, but it is not On. And not
being On, the Idle message shouldn't be triggered, nor should my HUD
be turned on.<br>
<br>
What changed?<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
<br>
(*) Actually, the script does a bit more, to work around the CAN3
bus hangs:<br>
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</tt><tt>obdii ecu start can3</tt><tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Michael Balzer wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Greg, Mark,<br>
<br>
that's actually a very old feature originating from V2. It's
meant to alert about a car left turned on, which is both a
potential security issue (key is plugged) and a potential
fire/explosion threat on vehicles that may overcharge the 12V
battery from the DC/DC converter. It's also main battery
drainage.<br>
<br>
This also needs to trigger during charging, but of course not if
the vehicle wakes itself for some internal checks or OTA updates
/ whatever.<br>
<br>
This was/is using the definition of "awake" as "turned on", and
"on" as "ignited". It seems all cars except the roadster follow
this scheme now, so maybe we should separate the "maintenance
awake" state?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
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Am 07.02.20 um 08:43 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
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<div class="">That would be the system thinking the vehicle is
asleep, but speed > 0.</div>
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<div class="">I did fix the roadster awake/sleep flag (which was
not being set correctly before), so most likely this is
something new.</div>
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<div class="">The logic is in VehicleTicker1() in vehicle.cpp.
It is:</div>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">//
Idle alert:</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">if
(!StdMetrics.ms_v_env_awake->AsBool() ||
StdMetrics.ms_v_pos_speed->AsFloat() > 0)</span></font></div>
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style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
{</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
m_idle_ticker = 15 * 60; // first alert after 15
minutes</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
}</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">else
if (m_idle_ticker > 0 && --m_idle_ticker ==
0)</span></font></div>
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style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
{</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
NotifyVehicleIdling();</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Andale Mono"><span
style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
m_idle_ticker = 60 * 60; // successive alerts every 60
minutes</span></font></div>
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style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;" class="">
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<div>So, that resets the fifteen minute timer whenever the
vehicle is either asleep OR speed>0 (driving). Otherwise
the timer counts down, and after 15 minutes the alert is
raised (and every 60 minutes thereafter until either the
vehicle goes to sleep or speed>0).</div>
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<div>For roadster, that work work. The car can ‘awake’ itself
for charging,etc.</div>
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<div>I am not really sure why we are using ms_v_env_awake in
the first place here. Why do we care if the vehicle is awake
or not? Surely we should be looking at ms_v_env_on (ie;
vehicle switched on)? But for JDEMO users that would cause a
problem (as for they have to leave the vehicle ignition on
while charging).</div>
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<div>Maybe simplest to disable this alert for Roadster, unless
someone else has any better ideas. In any case, we need to
think about using ms_v_env_awake vs ms_v_env_on.</div>
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<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
<div><br class="">
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<div class="">On 7 Feb 2020, at 2:22 AM, Greg D. <<a
href="mailto:gregd2350@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">gregd2350@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="">Hi folks,<br class="">
<br class="">
I'm starting to get an alert "Vehicle is idling /
stopped turned on"<br class="">
when my Roadster is charging. Seems to occur every
hour.<br class="">
<br class="">
Is this something new with OVMSv3, or did something
change / break on my<br class="">
car?<br class="">
<br class="">
Greg<br class="">
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