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    I've added the Twizy modification documentation to the user guide:<br>
    <br>
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/16JrXR7rybp-18DrEoeh1rg6GqQT_jVBvhaXh2oEWRHw/edit#heading=h.xc9d76fq2q79">https://docs.google.com/document/d/16JrXR7rybp-18DrEoeh1rg6GqQT_jVBvhaXh2oEWRHw/edit#heading=h.xc9d76fq2q79</a><br>
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    Tamás, have you done the modification for the i-MiEV yet?<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.04.19 um 17:25 schrieb Michael
      Balzer:<br>
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      Tamás,<br>
      <br>
      I've pushed an optimization for the speed processing, please note
      you now need to call CalculateAcceleration() after your regular
      speed update. This is necessary as the speed needs to be fed into
      the acceleration calculation on every update, not just changes.<br>
      <br>
      I've also just added the relay to my Twizy as planned, it works
      nicely. Just a little caveat: as Julien foretold, the SERV light
      turns on while the regen brake light is active. So somehow the
      Twizy in fact does monitor the brake light current and thus
      recognizes the hack. Doesn't matter too much to me, I'll use the
      SERV light as my regen braking indicator ;-)<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Michael<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.04.19 um 21:41 schrieb Michael
        Balzer:<br>
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        Here's a simple web plugin to monitor acceleration levels and
        regen brake signal generation:<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.04.19 um 19:24 schrieb Tamás
          Kovács:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Now I tested a little bit. Works fine,
                bright the led when recuperating. 
                <div>But I look at the code and I not understand:</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>accel = (speed - m_accel_refspeed) / (now -
                  m_accel_reftime) * 1000;
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                    gmail-tab-size"
style="box-sizing:border-box;border-spacing:0px;width:978px;color:rgb(36,41,46);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
                    UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple
                    Color Emoji","Segoe UI
                    Emoji","Segoe UI
                    Symbol";font-size:14px">
                  </table>
                   // smooth out road bumps & gear box backlash:
                  <table class="gmail-diff-table gmail-js-diff-table
                    gmail-tab-size"
style="box-sizing:border-box;border-spacing:0px;width:978px;color:rgb(36,41,46);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe
                    UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple
                    Color Emoji","Segoe UI
                    Emoji","Segoe UI
                    Symbol";font-size:14px">
                  </table>
                  accel =
                  (StdMetrics.ms_v_pos_acceleration->AsFloat() *
                  m_accel_smoothing + accel) / (m_accel_smoothing + 1);</div>
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                <div>Use same variable, I think the first is unnecessary
                  now.<br>
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                    Emoji","Segoe UI
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        Beg your pardon…?<br>
        <br>
        The first line calculates the momentary acceleration, the second
        sends that value through a standard lowpass filter.<br>
        <br>
        If you mean it could be written in one line, you're right, but I
        prefer readability.<br>
        <br>
        Regards,<br>
        Michael<br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a
                href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
              ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 22., H, 11:13):<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Pushed:<br>
                <br>
                <a
href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/commit/b44d466580b6961ada5ae42500c3fea68cab0f8a"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/commit/b44d466580b6961ada5ae42500c3fea68cab0f8a</a><br>
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                <tt>- Vehicle framework: regenerative braking signal
                  generation</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>  New config:</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    vehicle [accel.smoothing] = 2.0    
                  Acceleration smoothing factor (samples, 0 = none)</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    vehicle [brakelight.enable] = no    Regen
                  brake light enable</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    vehicle [brakelight.port] = 1       …
                  MAX7317 output port number (1, 3…9, default 1 =
                  SW_12V)</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    vehicle [brakelight.on] = 1.3       …
                  activation threshold (deceleration in m/s²)</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    vehicle [brakelight.off] = 0.7      …
                  deactivation threshold (deceleration in m/s²)</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>  New metrics:</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    v.p.acceleration    =
                  acceleration/deceleration in m/s² derived from
                  v.p.speed</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>    v.e.regenbrake      = regenerative brake
                  light state</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>- Twizy web UI: regenerative braking signal
                  configuration</tt><tt><br>
                </tt><br>
                <br>
                I've tested this using an LED on EGPIO_8, I'll do &
                document the Twizy hardware modification next weekend
                (if I receive my order in time…).<br>
                <br>
                @Tamás: to add the UI to the Mitsubishi code:<br>
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                <a
href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/src/web_displays.cpp#L1127"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/src/web_displays.cpp#L1127</a><br>
                <br>
                Regards,<br>
                Michael<br>
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                <div class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-cite-prefix">Am
                  22.04.19 um 04:12 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                  <div>Yes, EGPIO1 had to be used for SN65 control so is
                    not available for general use.</div>
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                  </div>
                  Max7317 has 10 outputs (P0 .. P9):
                  <div><br>
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                    <ul class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098MailOutline">
                      <li>P0 MDM EN (controls modem power)</li>
                      <li>P1 SW CTL (to BTS452 for EXT 12v power
                        control)</li>
                      <li>P2 EGPIO1 (SN65 transceiver power saving
                        control)</li>
                      <li>P3 EGPIO2 available for general use</li>
                      <li>P4 EGPIO3 available for general use</li>
                      <li>P5 EGPIO4 available for general use</li>
                      <li>P6 EGPIO5 available for general use</li>
                      <li>P7 EGPIO6 available for general use</li>
                      <li>P8 EGPIO<b>7</b> available for general use</li>
                      <li>P9 EGPIO<b>8</b> available for general use</li>
                    </ul>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>Regards, Mark</div>
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                        <div>On 22 Apr 2019, at 3:36 AM, Michael Balzer
                          <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Mark,<br>
                            <br>
                            btw: is EGPIO_1 not free for general use?
                            The esp32can SN65 seems to be controlled by
                            that line.<br>
                            <br>
                            Regards,<br>
                            Michael<br>
                            <br>
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                            <div
                              class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-cite-prefix">Am
                              21.04.19 um 15:01 schrieb Mark
                              Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                            <blockquote type="cite"> If changing
                              vehicle.{h, cpp} framework, I suggest
                              leaving a hook in to allow the vehicle
                              module to override / supplement this. In
                              particular, the brake light may be
                              controllable via can message on some
                              vehicles.
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                              <div>You can look at the ext12v circuit to
                                see how to control this.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>The ext12v system is a switchable 12v
                                line already wired up and available on
                                DA26 expansion. Would be trivial to put
                                an external relay on that to switch
                                brake lights.</div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>Regards, Mark.<br>
                                <div><br>
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                                    <div>On 21 Apr 2019, at 1:32 AM,
                                      Tamás Kovács <<a
                                        href="mailto:kommykt@gmail.com"
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                                          <div dir="ltr"><span
                                              style="font-family:monospace">JP1
                                              pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [ 680
                                              Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ]
                                              ----- pin 28 (GND)</span><br
style="font-family:monospace">
                                            <span
                                              style="font-family:monospace">                              </span><span
style="font-family:monospace">         |</span><br
                                              style="font-family:monospace">
                                            <span
                                              style="font-family:monospace">                              </span><span
style="font-family:monospace">      pin 12 (EGPIO_8)</span><br>
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                                          <div><span
                                              style="font-family:monospace">I
                                              can connect a 680Ohm
                                              resistor first end to
                                              pin1, a </span><font
                                              face="monospace">second
                                              end to pin12, and the led
                                              positive side to pin12 and
                                              negative to pin28(gnd).
                                              Now I have only 470ohm
                                              resistor at home, I tested
                                              now with a 4V li-ion
                                              battery and my red led
                                              power is 4mA. I can use
                                              this (470Ohm) resistor or
                                              buy a 680Ohm.</font></div>
                                          <div><font face="monospace">Tomorrow I
                                              remove the OVMS module
                                              from my car, and create
                                              some test, if the resistor
                                              (470Ohm) is OK. </font></div>
                                          <div><font face="monospace">I
                                              used this calculator for
                                              led series resistor
                                              calculation (I used a red
                                              Led): </font><a
                                              href="http://ledcalc.com/"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://ledcalc.com</a></div>
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                                          class="gmail_attr">Michael
                                          Balzer <<a
                                            href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
                                          ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr.
                                          20., Szo, 11:16):<br>
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                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Be
                                            aware the MAX71317 outputs
                                            are open drain, so you need
                                            a pull up resistor to e.g.
                                            +3.3. According to the data
                                            sheet, the current should
                                            stay below 6 mA.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I've just done a quick test
                                            wiring like this:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <tt>JP1 pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [
                                              680 Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ]
                                              ----- pin 28 (GND)<br>
                                       |<br>
                                    pin 12 (EGPIO_8)<br>
                                            </tt><br>
                                            Works as expected.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Regards,<br>
                                            Michael<br>
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                                              19.04.19 um 09:59 schrieb
                                              Michael Balzer:<br>
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                                              Sure.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              You need to route an EGPIO
                                              line to the DA26 port. For
                                              a first test you can add a
                                              simple jumper on expansion
                                              port pins 10/12 to route
                                              EGPIO_8 to GEP_7 (= pin 21
                                              on DA26).<br>
                                              <br>
                                              You should then be able to
                                              use the "egpio" command to
                                              test your LED. EGPIO_1 …
                                              _8 labels correspond to
                                              MAX7317 ports 2 … 9, so to
                                              control EGPIO_8, do:<br>
                                              <blockquote><tt>OVMS#
                                                  egpio output 9 1  #
                                                  EGPIO_8 on</tt><br>
                                                <tt><tt>OVMS# </tt>
                                                  egpio output 9 0  #
                                                  EGPIO_8 off</tt><br>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              (correct me if I'm wrong,
                                              Mark)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I wasn't aware there are
                                              other cars in need of
                                              something like this. I'll
                                              think about adding the
                                              logic as an option to the
                                              vehicle framework, but I
                                              can send you some patch to
                                              test this on your
                                              i-MiEV/clone first.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Regards,<br>
                                              Michael<br>
                                              <br>
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                                                19.04.19 um 09:24
                                                schrieb Tamás Kovács:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">I can add
                                                  for testing a simple
                                                  led (with resistor) ,
                                                  same as SimpleConsole
                                                  (twizy OVMS V2), to
                                                  show car is
                                                  recuperating,
                                                  connected to DA26
                                                  external expansion
                                                  port?</div>
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                                                    class="gmail_attr">Michael
                                                    Balzer <<a
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                                                      target="_blank"
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                                                    ezt írta (időpont:
                                                    2019. ápr. 19., P,
                                                    9:17):<br>
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                                                      As the Mitsubishi
                                                      code also reads
                                                      battery
                                                      current/power
                                                      level from CAN, it
                                                      would be trivial
                                                      to add the same
                                                      logic there.<br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                        19.04.19 um
                                                        06:52 schrieb
                                                        Tamás Kovács:<br>
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                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">The
                                                          Trio
                                                          (Mitsubishi
                                                          I-Miev and
                                                          clones) does
                                                          not activate
                                                          the brake
                                                          light on
                                                          recuperation
                                                          on 2105 and
                                                          older models,
                                                          if this is
                                                          work is very
                                                          impressive.</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> ezt
                                                          írta (időpont:
                                                          2019. ápr.
                                                          18., Cs,
                                                          23:08):<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                                          Mark,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          that looks
                                                          very good. Not
                                                          sure about
                                                          general
                                                          demand, but I
                                                          think we
                                                          should have
                                                          this to enable
                                                          simple custom
                                                          hardware I/O
                                                          extensions.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For the Twizy,
                                                          I was thinking
                                                          about adding
                                                          logic to
                                                          control the
                                                          brake light
                                                          from the
                                                          module. The
                                                          Twizy does not
                                                          activate the
                                                          brake light on
                                                          recuperation,
                                                          as that's
                                                          normally
                                                          (untuned) not
                                                          very strong.
                                                          But a tuned
                                                          Twizy allows
                                                          one pedal
                                                          driving, so
                                                          needs this.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Looking at our
                                                          case I also
                                                          think one
                                                          custom
                                                          extension
                                                          board should
                                                          fit on top of
                                                          the modem.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Michael<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          18.04.19 um
                                                          02:36 schrieb
                                                          Mark
                                                          Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          It seems the
                                                          attachments
                                                          were messed
                                                          up, so
                                                          attaching
                                                          again…
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                                                          <div>Regards,
                                                          Mark.</div>
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                                                          <div>On 17 Apr
                                                          2019, at 10:07
                                                          PM, Mark
                                                          Webb-Johnson
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
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style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">Design layout. Looks
                                                          good to me,
                                                          but open to
                                                          suggestions...</blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
id="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑"><br>
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style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">We can make in sets of
                                                          three PCBs, to
                                                          keep prices
                                                          down.</blockquote>
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id="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote"
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style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">Regards, Mark<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          On 8 Apr 2019,
                                                          at 12:05 PM,
                                                          Mark
                                                          Webb-Johnson
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          type="cite">
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                                                          </div>
                                                          A kit of 5
                                                          PCBs + SIP
                                                          edge
                                                          connectors +
                                                          mounting
                                                          hardware,
                                                          unsoldered,
                                                          would be about
                                                          US$15 +
                                                          shipping.
                                                          About
                                                          US$3/board
                                                          set. With
                                                          shipping I
                                                          don’t think
                                                          this is worth
                                                          doing with
                                                          less than 3 or
                                                          5 boards per
                                                          kit.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Would
                                                          this be
                                                          useful?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Regards,
                                                          Mark.<br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div>On 7 Apr
                                                          2019, at 9:08
                                                          PM, Mark
                                                          Webb-Johnson
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">This
                                                          is the closest
                                                          we have today:</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">That
                                                          is a bare
                                                          modem board,
                                                          with just the
                                                          sip
                                                          connectors.
                                                          The prototype
                                                          above is a
                                                          K-line
                                                          transceiver.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          think it would
                                                          be trivial,
                                                          and cheap, to
                                                          make up what
                                                          you show.
                                                          Perhaps just
                                                          solder ready
                                                          pads at 0.1”
                                                          pitch, then
                                                          the side sip
                                                          connectors
                                                          wired to the
                                                          first row of
                                                          pads at each
                                                          edge. Perhaps
                                                          5 PCBs in a
                                                          kit, with sip
                                                          edge
                                                          connectors,
                                                          unsoldered, in
                                                          a simple
                                                          plastic bag.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Does
                                                          that sound
                                                          like something
                                                          useful? If so,
                                                          I can ask the
                                                          China guys for
                                                          some idea of
                                                          pricing. If it
                                                          is just the
                                                          unsoldered
                                                          pcbs + parts,
                                                          I don’t think
                                                          it will be
                                                          expensive.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Regards,
                                                          Mark</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          On 7 Apr 2019,
                                                          at 4:38 PM,
                                                          Michael Balzer
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Mark,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          do you know of
                                                          some kind of
                                                          prototyping
                                                          board
                                                          available that
                                                          fits to our
                                                          piggy back
                                                          expansion
                                                          layout?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Something like
                                                          this: <a
                                                          href="https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Michael<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                                          03.04.19 um
                                                          06:48 schrieb
                                                          Mark
                                                          Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>If you
                                                          have work to
                                                          do on this
                                                          DA26 expansion
                                                          ports, this is
                                                          pretty cool
                                                          and well
                                                          built:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
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Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
</pre>
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                                            target="_blank"
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                                      -- <br>
                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                        class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail_signature">Üdvözlettel:<br>
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                                        target="_blank"
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                            <pre class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-signature" cols="160">-- 
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Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.openvehicles.com/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev</a><br>
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                <br>
                <pre class="gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-signature" cols="160">-- 
Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
</pre>
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        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="160">-- 
Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="160">-- 
Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal
Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26
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