<div dir="ltr">Not now, I waiting for parts to finish it. I want to use a relay shield. <div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. máj. 1., Sze, 15:37):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
I've added the Twizy modification documentation to the user guide:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/16JrXR7rybp-18DrEoeh1rg6GqQT_jVBvhaXh2oEWRHw/edit#heading=h.xc9d76fq2q79" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/16JrXR7rybp-18DrEoeh1rg6GqQT_jVBvhaXh2oEWRHw/edit#heading=h.xc9d76fq2q79</a><br>
<br>
Tamás, have you done the modification for the i-MiEV yet?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.04.19 um 17:25 schrieb Michael
Balzer:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Tamás,<br>
<br>
I've pushed an optimization for the speed processing, please note
you now need to call CalculateAcceleration() after your regular
speed update. This is necessary as the speed needs to be fed into
the acceleration calculation on every update, not just changes.<br>
<br>
I've also just added the relay to my Twizy as planned, it works
nicely. Just a little caveat: as Julien foretold, the SERV light
turns on while the regen brake light is active. So somehow the
Twizy in fact does monitor the brake light current and thus
recognizes the hack. Doesn't matter too much to me, I'll use the
SERV light as my regen braking indicator ;-)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.04.19 um 21:41 schrieb Michael
Balzer:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Here's a simple web plugin to monitor acceleration levels and
regen brake signal generation:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/dev/regenmon.htm" target="_blank">https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/dev/regenmon.htm</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.04.19 um 19:24 schrieb Tamás
Kovács:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Now I tested a little bit. Works fine,
bright the led when recuperating.
<div>But I look at the code and I not understand:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>accel = (speed - m_accel_refspeed) / (now -
m_accel_reftime) * 1000;
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</table>
// smooth out road bumps & gear box backlash:
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</table>
accel =
(StdMetrics.ms_v_pos_acceleration->AsFloat() *
m_accel_smoothing + accel) / (m_accel_smoothing + 1);</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Use same variable, I think the first is unnecessary
now.<br>
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</table>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Beg your pardon…?<br>
<br>
The first line calculates the momentary acceleration, the second
sends that value through a standard lowpass filter.<br>
<br>
If you mean it could be written in one line, you're right, but I
prefer readability.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div> </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 22., H, 11:13):<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Pushed:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/commit/b44d466580b6961ada5ae42500c3fea68cab0f8a" target="_blank">https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/commit/b44d466580b6961ada5ae42500c3fea68cab0f8a</a><br>
<br>
<tt>- Vehicle framework: regenerative braking signal
generation</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> New config:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> vehicle [accel.smoothing] = 2.0
Acceleration smoothing factor (samples, 0 = none)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> vehicle [brakelight.enable] = no Regen
brake light enable</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> vehicle [brakelight.port] = 1 …
MAX7317 output port number (1, 3…9, default 1 =
SW_12V)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> vehicle [brakelight.on] = 1.3 …
activation threshold (deceleration in m/s²)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> vehicle [brakelight.off] = 0.7 …
deactivation threshold (deceleration in m/s²)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> New metrics:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> v.p.acceleration =
acceleration/deceleration in m/s² derived from
v.p.speed</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> v.e.regenbrake = regenerative brake
light state</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>- Twizy web UI: regenerative braking signal
configuration</tt><tt><br>
</tt><br>
<br>
I've tested this using an LED on EGPIO_8, I'll do &
document the Twizy hardware modification next weekend
(if I receive my order in time…).<br>
<br>
@Tamás: to add the UI to the Mitsubishi code:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/src/web_displays.cpp#L1127" target="_blank">https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/blob/master/vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_webserver/src/web_displays.cpp#L1127</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-cite-prefix">Am
22.04.19 um 04:12 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Yes, EGPIO1 had to be used for SN65 control so is
not available for general use.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Max7317 has 10 outputs (P0 .. P9):
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ul class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098MailOutline">
<li>P0 MDM EN (controls modem power)</li>
<li>P1 SW CTL (to BTS452 for EXT 12v power
control)</li>
<li>P2 EGPIO1 (SN65 transceiver power saving
control)</li>
<li>P3 EGPIO2 available for general use</li>
<li>P4 EGPIO3 available for general use</li>
<li>P5 EGPIO4 available for general use</li>
<li>P6 EGPIO5 available for general use</li>
<li>P7 EGPIO6 available for general use</li>
<li>P8 EGPIO<b>7</b> available for general use</li>
<li>P9 EGPIO<b>8</b> available for general use</li>
</ul>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 22 Apr 2019, at 3:36 AM, Michael Balzer
<<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Mark,<br>
<br>
btw: is EGPIO_1 not free for general use?
The esp32can SN65 seems to be controlled by
that line.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098moz-cite-prefix">Am
21.04.19 um 15:01 schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> If changing
vehicle.{h, cpp} framework, I suggest
leaving a hook in to allow the vehicle
module to override / supplement this. In
particular, the brake light may be
controllable via can message on some
vehicles.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You can look at the ext12v circuit to
see how to control this.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The ext12v system is a switchable 12v
line already wired up and available on
DA26 expansion. Would be trivial to put
an external relay on that to switch
brake lights.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.<br>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 21 Apr 2019, at 1:32 AM,
Tamás Kovács <<a href="mailto:kommykt@gmail.com" target="_blank">kommykt@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:monospace">JP1
pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [ 680
Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ]
----- pin 28 (GND)</span><br style="font-family:monospace">
<span style="font-family:monospace"> </span><span style="font-family:monospace"> |</span><br style="font-family:monospace">
<span style="font-family:monospace"> </span><span style="font-family:monospace"> pin 12 (EGPIO_8)</span><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:monospace">I
can connect a 680Ohm
resistor first end to
pin1, a </span><font face="monospace">second
end to pin12, and the led
positive side to pin12 and
negative to pin28(gnd).
Now I have only 470ohm
resistor at home, I tested
now with a 4V li-ion
battery and my red led
power is 4mA. I can use
this (470Ohm) resistor or
buy a 680Ohm.</font></div>
<div><font face="monospace">Tomorrow I
remove the OVMS module
from my car, and create
some test, if the resistor
(470Ohm) is OK. </font></div>
<div><font face="monospace">I
used this calculator for
led series resistor
calculation (I used a red
Led): </font><a href="http://ledcalc.com/" target="_blank">http://ledcalc.com</a></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael
Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr.
20., Szo, 11:16):<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Be
aware the MAX71317 outputs
are open drain, so you need
a pull up resistor to e.g.
+3.3. According to the data
sheet, the current should
stay below 6 mA.<br>
<br>
I've just done a quick test
wiring like this:<br>
<br>
<tt>JP1 pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [
680 Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ]
----- pin 28 (GND)<br>
|<br>
pin 12 (EGPIO_8)<br>
</tt><br>
Works as expected.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850moz-cite-prefix">Am
19.04.19 um 09:59 schrieb
Michael Balzer:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Sure.<br>
<br>
You need to route an EGPIO
line to the DA26 port. For
a first test you can add a
simple jumper on expansion
port pins 10/12 to route
EGPIO_8 to GEP_7 (= pin 21
on DA26).<br>
<br>
You should then be able to
use the "egpio" command to
test your LED. EGPIO_1 …
_8 labels correspond to
MAX7317 ports 2 … 9, so to
control EGPIO_8, do:<br>
<blockquote><tt>OVMS#
egpio output 9 1 #
EGPIO_8 on</tt><br>
<tt><tt>OVMS# </tt>
egpio output 9 0 #
EGPIO_8 off</tt><br>
</blockquote>
(correct me if I'm wrong,
Mark)<br>
<br>
I wasn't aware there are
other cars in need of
something like this. I'll
think about adding the
logic as an option to the
vehicle framework, but I
can send you some patch to
test this on your
i-MiEV/clone first.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850moz-cite-prefix">Am
19.04.19 um 09:24
schrieb Tamás Kovács:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I can add
for testing a simple
led (with resistor) ,
same as SimpleConsole
(twizy OVMS V2), to
show car is
recuperating,
connected to DA26
external expansion
port?</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael
Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
ezt írta (időpont:
2019. ápr. 19., P,
9:17):<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
As the Mitsubishi
code also reads
battery
current/power
level from CAN, it
would be trivial
to add the same
logic there.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205moz-cite-prefix">Am
19.04.19 um
06:52 schrieb
Tamás Kovács:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">The
Trio
(Mitsubishi
I-Miev and
clones) does
not activate
the brake
light on
recuperation
on 2105 and
older models,
if this is
work is very
impressive.</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> ezt
írta (időpont:
2019. ápr.
18., Cs,
23:08):<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Mark,<br>
<br>
that looks
very good. Not
sure about
general
demand, but I
think we
should have
this to enable
simple custom
hardware I/O
extensions.<br>
<br>
For the Twizy,
I was thinking
about adding
logic to
control the
brake light
from the
module. The
Twizy does not
activate the
brake light on
recuperation,
as that's
normally
(untuned) not
very strong.
But a tuned
Twizy allows
one pedal
driving, so
needs this.<br>
<br>
Looking at our
case I also
think one
custom
extension
board should
fit on top of
the modem.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159moz-cite-prefix">Am
18.04.19 um
02:36 schrieb
Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
It seems the
attachments
were messed
up, so
attaching
again…
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,
Mark.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
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<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 17 Apr
2019, at 10:07
PM, Mark
Webb-Johnson
<<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159Apple-interchange-newline">
<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">Design layout. Looks
good to me,
but open to
suggestions...</blockquote>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">We can make in sets of
three PCBs, to
keep prices
down.</blockquote>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑"><br>
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<blockquote id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑">Regards, Mark<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 8 Apr 2019,
at 12:05 PM,
Mark
Webb-Johnson
<<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
A kit of 5
PCBs + SIP
edge
connectors +
mounting
hardware,
unsoldered,
would be about
US$15 +
shipping.
About
US$3/board
set. With
shipping I
don’t think
this is worth
doing with
less than 3 or
5 boards per
kit.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Would
this be
useful?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,
Mark.<br>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 7 Apr
2019, at 9:08
PM, Mark
Webb-Johnson
<<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="ltr">This
is the closest
we have today:</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><span id="gmail-m_-4878368985634567020gmail-m_-5223030792029442098gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159cid:FB5D7C10-7B69-4ECC-98AF-C500BB6C39A3"><image1.jpeg></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">That
is a bare
modem board,
with just the
sip
connectors.
The prototype
above is a
K-line
transceiver.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">I
think it would
be trivial,
and cheap, to
make up what
you show.
Perhaps just
solder ready
pads at 0.1”
pitch, then
the side sip
connectors
wired to the
first row of
pads at each
edge. Perhaps
5 PCBs in a
kit, with sip
edge
connectors,
unsoldered, in
a simple
plastic bag.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Does
that sound
like something
useful? If so,
I can ask the
China guys for
some idea of
pricing. If it
is just the
unsoldered
pcbs + parts,
I don’t think
it will be
expensive.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Regards,
Mark</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 7 Apr 2019,
at 4:38 PM,
Michael Balzer
<<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
Mark,<br>
<br>
do you know of
some kind of
prototyping
board
available that
fits to our
piggy back
expansion
layout?<br>
<br>
Something like
this: <a href="https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html" target="_blank">https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html</a><br>
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Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
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