<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi,<div><br></div><div>While I’m not that worried about relay lifetime (especially under low load) I was wondering if having the relay closed while pressing the real brakes wouldn’t trigger the (STOP) sign (on the Twizy) having it believe one of the lamps is dead because the relaly would short the current measurement. (I forgot to use a single comma in that sentence :-) )<br><br>But I love the idea, I’m sometimes afraid people get a bit too close, and Parisians already love sticking to other people’s behinds. <br><br>Regards,</div><div>Julien</div><div><br></div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 21 Apr 2019, at 21:15, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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Silly me, I somehow thought the ext12v should be reserved to power
additional high level equipment, but that's of course the most
simple solution.<br>
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I've already ordered a set of these: <a href="https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07912HD6H/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item">https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07912HD6H/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item</a><br>
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…so I will be able to use the EGPIO lines as well. But I'll add the
ext12v line to the control options.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
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If changing vehicle.{h, cpp} framework, I suggest leaving a hook
in to allow the vehicle module to override / supplement this. In
particular, the brake light may be controllable via can message on
some vehicles.
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<div class="">You can look at the ext12v circuit to see how to
control this.</div>
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<div class="">The ext12v system is a switchable 12v line already
wired up and available on DA26 expansion. Would be trivial to
put an external relay on that to switch brake lights.</div>
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<div class="">Regards, Mark.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:monospace" class="">JP1 pin 1
(+3.3) ----- [ 680 Ohms ] ---+--- [ LED ] -----
pin 28 (GND)</span><br style="font-family:monospace" class="">
<span style="font-family:monospace" class=""> </span><span style="font-family:monospace" class=""> |</span><br style="font-family:monospace" class="">
<span style="font-family:monospace" class=""> </span><span style="font-family:monospace" class=""> pin
12 (EGPIO_8)</span><br class="">
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace" class="">I can connect a 680Ohm resistor first end
to pin1, a </span><font class="" face="monospace">second
end to pin12, and the led positive side to pin12
and negative to pin28(gnd). Now I have only 470ohm
resistor at home, I tested now with a 4V li-ion
battery and my red led power is 4mA. I can use
this (470Ohm) resistor or buy a 680Ohm.</font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="monospace">Tomorrow I
remove the OVMS module from my car, and create
some test, if the resistor (470Ohm) is OK. </font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="monospace">I used
this calculator for led series resistor
calculation (I used a red Led): </font><a href="http://ledcalc.com/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://ledcalc.com</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> ezt
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Be aware the MAX71317
outputs are open drain, so you need a pull up
resistor to e.g. +3.3. According to the data sheet,
the current should stay below 6 mA.<br class="">
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I've just done a quick test wiring like this:<br class="">
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<tt class="">JP1 pin 1 (+3.3) ----- [ 680 Ohms ]
---+--- [ LED ] ----- pin 28 (GND)<br class="">
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pin 12
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Works as expected.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
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<div class="gmail-m_7428775334725863850moz-cite-prefix">Am
19.04.19 um 09:59 schrieb Michael Balzer:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class=""> Sure.<br class="">
<br class="">
You need to route an EGPIO line to the DA26 port.
For a first test you can add a simple jumper on
expansion port pins 10/12 to route EGPIO_8 to
GEP_7 (= pin 21 on DA26).<br class="">
<br class="">
You should then be able to use the "egpio" command
to test your LED. EGPIO_1 … _8 labels correspond
to MAX7317 ports 2 … 9, so to control EGPIO_8, do:<br class="">
<blockquote class=""><tt class="">OVMS# egpio
output 9 1 # EGPIO_8 on</tt><br class="">
<tt class=""><tt class="">OVMS# </tt> egpio
output 9 0 # EGPIO_8 off</tt><br class="">
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(correct me if I'm wrong, Mark)<br class="">
<br class="">
I wasn't aware there are other cars in need of
something like this. I'll think about adding the
logic as an option to the vehicle framework, but I
can send you some patch to test this on your
i-MiEV/clone first.<br class="">
<br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I can add for testing a
simple led (with resistor) , same as
SimpleConsole (twizy OVMS V2), to show car is
recuperating, connected to DA26 external
expansion port?</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> As the
Mitsubishi code also reads battery
current/power level from CAN, it would be
trivial to add the same logic there.<br class="">
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19.04.19 um 06:52 schrieb Tamás Kovács:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">The Trio
(Mitsubishi I-Miev and clones) does
not activate the brake light on
recuperation on 2105 and older
models, if this is work is very
impressive.</div>
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ezt írta (időpont: 2019. ápr. 18.,
Cs, 23:08):<br class="">
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Mark,<br class="">
<br class="">
that looks very good. Not sure
about general demand, but I think
we should have this to enable
simple custom hardware I/O
extensions.<br class="">
<br class="">
For the Twizy, I was thinking
about adding logic to control the
brake light from the module. The
Twizy does not activate the brake
light on recuperation, as that's
normally (untuned) not very
strong. But a tuned Twizy allows
one pedal driving, so needs this.<br class="">
<br class="">
Looking at our case I also think
one custom extension board should
fit on top of the modem.<br class="">
<br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
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<div class="">On 17 Apr
2019, at 10:07 PM, Mark
Webb-Johnson <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
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<blockquote id="gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑" class="">Design layout.
Looks good to
me, but open to
suggestions...</blockquote>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑" class=""><br class="">
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<blockquote id="gmail-m_7428775334725863850gmail-m_-4710357977456663205gmail-m_-7334428458932344159ntes-pcmail-quote" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:微软雅黑" class="">We can make in
sets of three
PCBs, to keep
prices down.</blockquote>
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12:05 PM, Mark
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A kit of 5 PCBs +
SIP edge
connectors +
mounting hardware,
unsoldered, would
be about US$15 +
shipping. About
US$3/board set.
With shipping I
don’t think this
is worth doing
with less than 3
or 5 boards per
kit.
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<div class="">Would
this be useful?</div>
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<div class="">Regards,
Mark.<br class="">
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<div class="">On
7 Apr 2019, at
9:08 PM, Mark
Webb-Johnson
<<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">This
is the closest
we have today:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">That
is a bare
modem board,
with just the
sip
connectors.
The prototype
above is a
K-line
transceiver.</div>
<div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">I
think it would
be trivial,
and cheap, to
make up what
you show.
Perhaps just
solder ready
pads at 0.1”
pitch, then
the side sip
connectors
wired to the
first row of
pads at each
edge. Perhaps
5 PCBs in a
kit, with sip
edge
connectors,
unsoldered, in
a simple
plastic bag.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">Does
that sound
like something
useful? If so,
I can ask the
China guys for
some idea of
pricing. If it
is just the
unsoldered
pcbs + parts,
I don’t think
it will be
expensive.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">Regards,
Mark</div>
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On 7 Apr 2019,
at 4:38 PM,
Michael Balzer
<<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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Mark,<br class="">
<br class="">
do you know of
some kind of
prototyping
board
available that
fits to our
piggy back
expansion
layout?<br class="">
<br class="">
Something like
this: <a href="https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.robotshop.com/de/de/cytron-arduino-proto-schild.html</a><br class="">
<br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
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06:48 schrieb
Mark
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<div class="">If
you have work
to do on this
DA26 expansion
ports, this is
pretty cool
and well
built:</div>
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