<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree 100% with Michael here. Far too much time is spent hand-holding very inexperienced users, and it is incredibly frustrating. About half of the people who ask me for help turn out to have a simple typo in the username / password. Half the remaining have a more complicated typo.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps when the v3 product has matured some, we can look at how to look after more novice users, but for the moment I think we should keep the material targeted to experienced users. I.T. literate.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards, Mark.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Jan 2019, at 10:13 PM, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class="">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Rob,<br class="">
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maybe I'm too pessimistic (realistic?), but if you're targeting
users within that category, your spec lacks "doesn't like reading
manuals or searching the web for answers" and "likes watching short
videos", so working on the manual with these users in mind is
futile.<br class="">
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My last App support: the App told the user it can't connect to the
server, he should verify the server address and vehicle ID. I sent
him the data he should use. He insisted in having entered exactly
that. After four or five mails I finally got him to send me this
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Many current users (even v2 users) I have supported fit into that
category, none of them would (could) read anything longer than a few
sentences. The manual introduction section is already too much for
them, they normally just jump into using the system and they
normally fail at things like entering a server name or password
correctly.<br class="">
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Of course we should generally try to further simplify the UIs, e.g.
provide a select option for the standard servers and an account
registration API.<br class="">
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But the manual IMO is meant for the capable / advanced user trying
to get specific jobs done with the system.<br class="">
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For the "low end" user target, a single (!) page "first setup" sheet
is needed, and a series of 3 minute feature introduction videos on
Youtube.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.01.19 um 16:05 schrieb Robert
Sharpe (Electric Vehicle Consultant):<br class="">
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<div class="">Hi Mark/All,<br class="">
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<div class="">Sometime ago I did lots of obvious updates of the User
Manual to help readability, etc as a first stab.<br class="">
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<div class="">Now doing a second stab, there is one thing that has come
to light and that is the definition of a user.<br class="">
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<div class="">In order to check the documentation I need to know what the
user is capable of off. I appreciate that the definition of
user has probably changed over the development of the project
and the product has matured enough that it can be operated by
non-technical users opening up its usefulness. <br class="">
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<div class="">Assuming that what were the original users would how fall
into the category of Developers, does the following draft
specification accurately reflect the minimum capabilities of a
current/future User?<br class="">
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<div class="">User Definition</div>
<ul class="">
<li class="">a general household DIY capable person.<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">can mount and plug things into the vehicle<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">cant<br class="">
</li>
<ul class="">
<li class="">create connectors/leads<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">modify the OVMS hardware<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">don't know about internal or technical terms, such as
Nissan Leaf GIDs, WiFi SSID, etc</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<div class="">User Expectations<br class="">
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<ul class="">
<li class="">the unit fully supports the listed features under all
reasonable conditions<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">reliable in operation</li>
<li class="">error messages are non-technical and help the user solve
the problem</li>
<li class="">should be plug-n-play where possible, eg<br class="">
</li>
<ul class="">
<li class="">automatically detects vehicle type and year<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">automatically detects battery capacity, etc<br class="">
</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<div class="">Please let me know if this is accurate or what
changes/clarifications need to be made.<br class="">
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<div class="">Thanks for the offer to help out.<br class="">
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<div class="">Perhaps you can look at it from the user’s
point of view, and try to improve our documentation and
approach for that?<br class="">
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<div class="">Regards, Mark.<br class="">
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Sharpe (Electric Vehicle Consultant) <<a target="_blank" class="" href="mailto:robert.sharpe@evergreen-consulting.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">robert.sharpe@evergreen-consulting.co.uk</a>>
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<div class="">Hi All,<br class="">
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<div class="">I like where OVMS project is
going and would like to help if I can.<br class="">
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<div class="">Where I can possibly add value
is<br class="">
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<ul class="">
<li class="">make things easy for people to
use (eg documentation, etc)<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">experienced on UI/UX design,
etc.<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">as an ex developer, good at
testing and finding problems.<br class="">
</li>
</ul>
<div class="">Some initial thoughts on
activities are<br class="">
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<ul class="">
<li class="">to make it easier for non
technical people to use OVMS, help doc
author pull out user only specific content
to a user manual and make it non-technical
(renaming current user manual to
developers manual) <br class="">
</li>
<li class="">to help people see roadmap,
provide a mechanism to see who wants what
and who is working on it.<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">to allow developers and users
to display problems with their vehicle
only, add Labels to the github issues list
or group by project (I am not an expert on
GITHUB so please be patient)<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">update GITHUB readmes to better
direct people that find GITHUB first.<br class="">
</li>
</ul>
<div class="">Please<br class="">
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<ul class="">
<li class="">let me know if anyone is
dealing with any of these areas<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">add and/or vote for what things
you think I can help with by putting a
comment next to the activity above.<br class="">
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