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    Mark,<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.05.2018 um 15:51 schrieb Mark
      Webb-Johnson:<br>
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          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">A minor issue:
            binding the actual notification to a single metric
            introduces a dependance on the CAN frame or processing order
            if the notification content depends on other metrics as
            well.</div>
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      <div class="">Yep. Found one of those today.</div>
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      <div class="">Tesla Roadster: charge started notifications didn’t
        show current properly, because that takes a few seconds to
        appear. Fix made was to delay charge start notifications until
        15 seconds into the charge.</div>
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    I just saw you made that change for all vehicles instead of only for
    the roadster. I'm really not sure about that, it feels like a
    workaround.<br>
    <br>
    Your change also breaks the notifications on state transitions
    during the charge. The "topoff" phase on the Twizy is equivalent to
    the CV (constant voltage) charge phase, so "charging" goes over to
    "topoff" at some indeterminate time into the charge.<br>
    <br>
    I don't know how "heating" works on the Roadster, but "heating"
    would normally also seemlessly proceed to "charging".<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
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      <div class="">In general, I’m finding our ‘time’ metrics really
        useful. We have charge time (v.c.time), and park time
        (v.e.parktime). Probably a good to add v.e.drivetime to
        complement those and track how long the vehicle has been not
        parked.</div>
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      Regards, Mark.
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            <div class="">On 10 May 2018, at 7:08 PM, Michael Balzer
              <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Mark,<br
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                <br class="">
                I'll take care of the web UI for the notification
                config, but not for 006.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                A minor issue: binding the actual notification to a
                single metric introduces a dependance on the CAN frame
                or processing order if the notification content depends
                on other metrics as well.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                This applies especially to the charge start
                notification. It is sent synchronously on the
                ms_v_charge_state change, but also includes info from
                multiple other metrics. If those other metrics have not
                been updated when the state change comes in, the
                notification info will be inconsistent.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Vehicles implementing a separate state metrics
                processing can work around this by reordering the
                metrics updates so the state update is always last, but
                a vehicle setting metrics directly from the incoming
                frames (i.e. mapping based) may not be able to do so
                easily. We'll have to remember this when designing the
                mapping, i.e. add the ability to buffer some data and
                define ordered metrics transactions. Or maybe there's a
                more simple solution to this.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                There are two more framework notification candidates,
                "charge.sufficient" and "batt.alert.minsoc", but they
                can wait for 007.<br class="">
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                  <div class="">I think we’re about ready for 3.1.006
                    now? I need to test Michael’s new initial config
                    system, but that code is in place so should be good
                    to go.</div>
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                <br class="">
                There was only one tester (besides me) of the wizard
                yet, so more testing is important.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Regards,<br class="">
                Michael<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.05.2018 um 15:50
                  schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br class="">
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                  <div class="">The modifications below have been
                    implemented. Works for me on the bench.</div>
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                  <div class="">Individual vehicle modules can turn this
                    off (it defaults to on) by
                    setting m_autonotifications=false in their
                    constructor. Implementations can also override the
                    individual Notify…() functions to disable particular
                    notifications, or customise the output. For example,
                    a Tesla Model S module may want to
                    override NotifyValetHood() and send the alert as
                    ‘frunk’ rather than ‘hood’.</div>
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                  <div class="">For those testing this with individual
                    vehicle support, you should be able to see the
                    following standardised vehicle alerts now:</div>
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                      <ul class="MailOutline">
                        <li class="">charge.started (a charge session
                          has started)</li>
                        <li class="">heating.started (the battery is
                          being heated, as part of a charge session)</li>
                        <li class="">charge.stopped (a charge session
                          has been interrupted)</li>
                        <li class="">charge.done (a charge session has
                          completed normally)</li>
                        <li class="">valet.enabled (valet mode has been
                          enabled)</li>
                        <li class="">valet.disabled (valet mode has been
                          disabled)</li>
                        <li class="">valet.hood (the vehicle hood has
                          been opened, while in valet mode)</li>
                        <li class="">valet.trunk (the vehicle trunk has
                          been opened, while in valet mode)</li>
                        <li class="">alarm.sounding (the vehicle alarm
                          is sounding)</li>
                        <li class="">alarm.stopped (the vehicle alarm
                          has stopped)</li>
                        <li class="">batt.12v.alert (the 12v battery is
                          at a critically low voltage level)</li>
                        <li class="">batt.12v.recovered (the 12v battery
                          voltage level has recovered)</li>
                      </ul>
                    </div>
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                  <div class="">I’ll be updating the user guide
                    documentation now, as there are quite a lot of
                    configuration options for this now. Should finish by
                    tomorrow.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div class="">I think we’re about ready for 3.1.006
                    now? I need to test Michael’s new initial config
                    system, but that code is in place so should be good
                    to go.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">Perhaps people can commit what they have
                    this week, and we will build a 3.1.006 OTA release
                    at the weekend?</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">As always,
                    comments/suggestions/improvements welcome.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
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                  <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                    <blockquote type="cite" class="">It is time to
                      implement vehicle notifications (charge started,
                      charge completed, charge interrupted, etc) in the
                      vehicle modules I am supporting. It seems that
                      this can be done in the vehicle.{h,cpp} framework
                      in a standard manner, and work across all vehicle
                      types. However, I guess that will break any
                      notifications already being produced by other
                      vehicle types.
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">My suggestion is:</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <ol class="MailOutline">
                          <li class="">A config parameter
                            ‘notifications’, with individual instances
                            to turn on/off the notifications. Default is
                            all enabled.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                          </li>
                          <li class="">OvmsVehicle::MetricModified picks
                            up metric changes and issues the standard
                            notifications (checking ‘notifications’
                            parameter appropriately).</li>
                          <ul class="">
                            <li class="">charge_mode=>charging:
                              Notify charge started</li>
                            <li class="">charge_mode=>topoff: Notify
                              charge started</li>
                            <li class="">charge_mode=>heating: Notify
                              battery heating started</li>
                            <li class="">charge_mode=>done: Notify
                              charge completed</li>
                            <li class="">charge_mode=>stopped: Notify
                              charge interrupted</li>
                            <li class="">valet_mode=>on: Notify valet
                              mode enabled</li>
                            <li class="">valet_mode=>off: Notify
                              valet mode disabled</li>
                            <li class="">alarm=>on: Notify alarm is
                              sounding</li>
                            <li class="">alarm=>off: Notify alarm is
                              off<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                            </li>
                          </ul>
                          <li class="">All the above should be
                            suppressed for the initial setting of each
                            parameter. I will have to look into metrics
                            to see how best that should be done; one
                            neat way is to keep a modification count
                            (rather than the current m_defined boolean).</li>
                        </ol>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Does that make sense? Any
                        objections/suggestions?</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Regards, Mark</div>
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                      <div class="">On 9 May 2018, at 9:33 AM, Mark
                        Webb-Johnson <<a
                          href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" class=""
                          moz-do-not-send="true">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
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                          after-white-space;" class="">I’ve extended the
                          notifications framework to include the concept
                          of notification subtypes. This is in addition
                          to the existing notification base types.<br
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                          <div class="">This allows us to automatically
                            filter notifications based on the granular
                            subtypes. The filtering is done at the
                            framework level, so all notification
                            listeners need to do is turn it on (when
                            they register).</div>
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                          <div class="">I have identified the following
                            standard subtypes, and updated quite a few
                            modules to use them:</div>
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                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <ul class="MailOutline">
                              <li class="">charge.stopped</li>
                              <li class="">charge.state</li>
                              <li class="">batt.alert</li>
                              <li class="">batt.12v (seems similar to
                                batt.alert, but not yet decided)</li>
                              <li class="">homelink</li>
                              <li class="">debug.crash</li>
                              <li class="">xks.aux</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.battmon</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.power</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.gps</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.trip</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.sevcon</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.logs</li>
                              <li class="">xrt.reset</li>
                            </ul>
                          </div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">I would really rather have all
                            the alert types standardised (including
                            things like trip logs, gps tracking, etc)
                            and working across all vehicle types. But
                            this at least is a starting point.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">An example of it working is:</div>
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                              <div class=""><font class="" face="Andale
                                  Mono"><span style="font-size: 18px;"
                                    class="">OVMS# notify raise text
                                    info test hello</span></font></div>
                              <div class=""><font class="" face="Andale
                                  Mono"><span style="font-size: 18px;"
                                    class="">Raise text notification for
                                    info/test as hello</span></font></div>
                              <div class=""><font class="" face="Andale
                                  Mono"><span style="font-size: 18px;"
                                    class="">I (25618) ovms-server-v2:
                                    Send MP-0 PIhello</span></font></div>
                              <div class=""><font class="" face="Andale
                                  Mono"><span style="font-size: 18px;"
                                    class=""><br class="">
                                  </span></font></div>
                              <div class="">
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class="">OVMS#
                                      config set notify test none</span></font></div>
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class="">Parameter
                                      has been set.</span></font></div>
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class=""><br
                                        class="">
                                    </span></font></div>
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class="">OVMS#
                                      notify raise text info test hello</span></font></div>
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class="">Raise
                                      text notification for info/test as
                                      hello</span></font></div>
                                <div class=""><font class=""
                                    face="Andale Mono"><span
                                      style="font-size: 18px;" class=""><br
                                        class="">
                                    </span></font></div>
                                <div class="">
                                  <div class=""><font class=""
                                      face="Andale Mono"><span
                                        style="font-size: 18px;"
                                        class="">OVMS# config set notify
                                        test ovmsv2</span></font></div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><font class=""
                                        face="Andale Mono"><span
                                          style="font-size: 18px;"
                                          class="">Parameter has been
                                          set.</span></font></div>
                                    <div class=""><font class=""
                                        face="Andale Mono"><span
                                          style="font-size: 18px;"
                                          class=""><br class="">
                                        </span></font></div>
                                    <div class=""><font class=""
                                        face="Andale Mono"><span
                                          style="font-size: 18px;"
                                          class="">OVMS# notify raise
                                          text info test hello</span></font></div>
                                    <div class=""><font class=""
                                        face="Andale Mono"><span
                                          style="font-size: 18px;"
                                          class="">Raise text
                                          notification for info/test as
                                          hello</span></font></div>
                                    <div class=""><font class=""
                                        face="Andale Mono"><span
                                          style="font-size: 18px;"
                                          class="">I (71368)
                                          ovms-server-v2: Send MP-0
                                          PIhello</span></font></div>
                                  </div>
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                          <div class="">
                            <div class="">I am working on the vehicle
                              module automated alerts we previously
                              discussed, and this is a pre-requisite.
                              New standardised subtypes will come with
                              that (such as charge.start, charge.done,
                              etc).</div>
                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
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                                    7516c9: test framework commands for
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/main/test_framework.cpp<br
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                                   test framework commands for testing
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/ovms_server_v2/src/ovms_server_v2.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle/vehicle.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_kiasoulev/src/vehicle_kiasoulev.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_renaulttwizy/src/rt_battmon.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_renaulttwizy/src/rt_notify.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_renaulttwizy/src/rt_sevcon.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_renaulttwizy/src/rt_sevcon_faults.cpp<br
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vehicle/OVMS.V3/components/vehicle_renaulttwizy/src/vehicle_renaulttwizy.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/main/ovms_boot.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/main/ovms_notify.cpp<br
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                                  vehicle/OVMS.V3/main/ovms_notify.h<br
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                                   Notifications: Framework extensions
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