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    :-/<br>
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    I guess that's the price to pay for using <strike>bananaware</strike>
    cutting edge technology.<br>
    <br>
    On the plus side, maybe the ESD shield of the WROVER module will
    help in CE/FCC certification…<br>
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    Thanks for not losing faith.<br>
    <br>
    Michael<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.01.2018 um 09:33 schrieb Mark
      Webb-Johnson:<br>
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      A lot of back-and-forth with China (suppliers, partner, etc).
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      <div class="">Bottom line is that we don’t think Espressif is
        ready for PSRAM + external flash. The IDF code just doesn’t seem
        to support it. Very frustrating, given that nobody on their
        support forums or issue tracker is saying that; but looking at
        the code it is pretty obvious they have just tested it with
        their particular use case (this specific set of bus speeds, this
        particular PSRAM part, etc).</div>
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      <div class="">We’re all getting pretty fed up with this. Trying to
        get Espressif to recognise (and fix) the SD CARD issue took
        months. Now, we have to go through the same hoops for this...</div>
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      <div class="">So, we’ve decided to raise the white flag, swallow
        the extra cost (probably only perhaps US$3 or so, although
        one-time CE/FCC certification fees could be drastically higher),
        and source a WROVER module with 16MB flash + PSRAM directly in
        the module. We’re 99% certain that will work, as that is pretty
        much Espressif’s supported configuration. Circuit leads are
        short, everything is encased in a metal ESD shield, the 1.8v is
        a non-issue, etc. Lead time for those components is 7-to-30
        days, so as a quick confirmation we are getting the parts and
        will modify some of our own WROVER modules first (remove the
        top, unsolder the 4MB flash, solder in a replacement 16MB
        flash). Time to dust off the microscope again.</div>
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      <div class="">Flash chips are being overnighted to me, and both
        China and HK sides are doing the work at the same time. We
        should have confirmation within this week. The peripherals all
        seem ok with the new board, so it is only the 16MB flash issue
        to resolve.</div>
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      <div class="">Regards, Mark.<br class="">
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            <div class="">On 30 Jan 2018, at 9:00 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson
              <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" class=""
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                <div class="">News: Some good, some bad.</div>
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                <div class="">Injection moulded cases are here. They
                  look good, feel good, and everything fits. Blue light
                  doesn’t show through (we should turn it off to save
                  power anyway). Our logo looks particularly good as
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                <div class="">All the peripheral functionality seems to
                  work just fine. SD CARD, CAN bus, simcom, USB
                  flashing, GPIOs, EGPIOs, etc.</div>
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                <div class="">But the bad news is external flash + psram
                  combo is not working well. Just seems flaky. I tried
                  ‘scoping the level converter last night, and the
                  signal looked really dirty. We’re not sure if the
                  problem is the level converter propagation delay
                  (we’re right on the borderline with that) or trace
                  layout (we moved the flash to the underside of the
                  board to get it closer to the ESP32 module, but that
                  meant using vias which could be contributing to the
                  issue). We have found some alternative level
                  converters which bring propagation down to 1.3ns or so
                  and are supposedly good for up to 100Mhz, and we’re
                  trying to hand-modify a board at the moment to see if
                  those improve things. I dug some into the ESP32 PSRAM
                  library and it is really strange:<br class="">
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                    <li class="">They hard-code the flash CS pin
                      (GPIO10) in the library, so our external CS isn’t
                      going to work.<br class="">
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                        have a separate clock for PSRAM, and for some
                        reason want to delay it with respect to the
                        flash clock. They do this by routing it in and
                        out through an internal GPIO that is not
                        externally visible (and that pass through the
                        GPIO matrix delays it). Path ends up SPI CLK
                        --> GPIO28 --> signal224(in then out)
                        --> internal GPIO29 --> signal225(in then
                        out) --> GPIO17(PSRAM CLK). Urgh.</div>
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                <div class="">I’m trying to fix this at the firmware
                  level, but I suspect that it is not going to be
                  trivial.</div>
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                <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
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                        <div class="">On 26 Jan 2018, at 2:01 PM, Mark
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                                  <div class="">On 26 Jan 2018, at 10:44
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                                      <div class="">We’ve just started
                                        testing it now.</div>
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                                      <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
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                                          <div class="">On 10 Jan 2018,
                                            at 2:41 PM, Mark
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                                              <div class="">Analog Lamb,
                                                while interesting, is
                                                just (a) too expensive
                                                (double the price), (b)
                                                unproven, (c)
                                                uncertified, and (d) has
                                                long lead times. Using
                                                proven Espressif
                                                certified modules seems
                                                the safer way to go.</div>
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                                              <div class="">So, we’ve
                                                decided to go with a
                                                switch to a standard
                                                certified ESP WROVER
                                                module, and external
                                                16MB flash memory. The
                                                circuit board footprint
                                                for this is a little
                                                larger than the WROOM-32
                                                module we’ve been using,
                                                and requires one more
                                                3.3V->1.8V power
                                                conversion, but seems
                                                the safest way to go.</div>
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                                              <div class="">Accordingly,
                                                I’ve agreed with the
                                                China guys to proceed
                                                along these lines for
                                                the main board:</div>
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                                                      WROOM-32 to WROVER
                                                      (on circuit
                                                      antenna version,
                                                      similar to
                                                      WROOM-32).<br
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                                                      can free IO12
                                                      (SD_D2), IO13
                                                      (SD_D3), and IO4
                                                      (SD_D1), by using
                                                      just 1-line
                                                      SDCARD. I don’t
                                                      really want to use
                                                      IO12 as that is a
                                                      bootstrapping pin.<br
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                                                      PSRAM uses IO16
                                                      and IO17, so we
                                                      can’t use that for
                                                      modem.</li>
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                                                        to IO4 and IO13.<br
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                                                      to 1.8V 16MB flash
                                                      chip (W25Q128FW?).
                                                      As SDD_VDIO is not
                                                      exposed, add a
                                                      simple regulator
                                                      3.3V->1.8V for
                                                      external flash?<br
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                                                      burning e-fuses,
                                                      need to take care
                                                      with 1.8V/3.3V
                                                      SDD_SDIO fuse -
                                                      leave at 1.8V.<br
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                                                      capacitors for SD
                                                      CARD and external
                                                      Flash, as per
                                                      Espressif example.<br
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                                                      size of solder pad
                                                      for big
                                                      capacitors, and
                                                      USB connector, to
                                                      make it stronger.<br
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                                                      the data lines of
                                                      circuit traces
                                                      SDCARD, SPI bus,
                                                      external flash,
                                                      take care to keep
                                                      away from power
                                                      traces or other
                                                      sources of
                                                      interference and
                                                      keep the traces as
                                                      short as possible.</li>
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                                              <div class="">The change
                                                to WROVER is a PITA at
                                                this stage, but that 4MB
                                                PSRAM should give us
                                                more headroom and the
                                                extra bill-of-materials
                                                costs is just a couple
                                                of US$.</div>
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                                              <div class="">For the
                                                modem, we’re
                                                double-checking the
                                                power (which seems ok,
                                                but check to be sure),
                                                and changing passive
                                                -> active antenna. At
                                                the moment, it seems to
                                                be just a couple of
                                                passive components
                                                soldered inline between
                                                two easily accessible
                                                points. For existing
                                                developer modems in the
                                                field, we’ll try to make
                                                a simple upgrade kit
                                                (passive->active) for
                                                GPS, and post them out.
                                                If you don’t need GPS
                                                (such as Roadster
                                                users), the modem boards
                                                are functionally the
                                                same as the production
                                                ones.</div>
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                                              <div class="">Existing
                                                developer OVMS v3 boards
                                                (with WROOM-32 module)
                                                will continue to be
                                                called v3.0. New
                                                production OVMS v3
                                                boards (with WROVER
                                                module) will be called
                                                v3.1. We have
                                                conditional compilation
                                                in the firmware, to
                                                switch the pin
                                                assignments and whatever
                                                else is required.</div>
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                                                    refs/heads/for-v3.0</span><br
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                                                    class=""> Home:   </span><a
href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3"
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                                                    class=""> Commit:
                                                    9504df70be78b6626970ec0ea53d2c2470e90afa</span><br
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href="https://github.com/openvehicles/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3/commit/9504df70be78b6626970ec0ea53d2c2470e90afa"
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                                                    class=""> Author:
                                                    Mark Webb-Johnson
                                                    <</span><a
                                                    href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net"
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                                                    class=""> Date:
                                                      2018-01-10 (Wed,
                                                    10 Jan 2018)</span><br
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                                                    paths:</span><br
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                                                    Message:</span><br
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                                                    class=""> Support
                                                    for OVMS hardware
                                                    v3.1</span></div>
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                                              <div class="">
                                                <div class="">Converting
                                                  developer v3.0 boards
                                                  to v3.1 is not really
                                                  feasible (a skilled
                                                  solderer could
                                                  probably use a 16MB
                                                  Analog Lamb
                                                  WROOM-32+PSRAM module;
                                                  that would be a
                                                  relatively simple
                                                  de-solder + re-solder
                                                  of the module, a
                                                  not-so-simple
                                                  re-arrange of the
                                                  traces for
                                                  IO16->IO4 and
                                                  IO17->IO13, and
                                                  disabling of external
                                                  16MB flash). Anyway,
                                                  those existing
                                                  developer modules
                                                  should be fine to
                                                  continue to use (just
                                                  without the extra
                                                  PSRAM).</div>
                                              </div>
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                                              <div class="">We are today
                                                finalising the circuit
                                                schematic and board
                                                layout for the above,
                                                and building a couple of
                                                test boards (with WROVER
                                                modules). I should have
                                                one in about a week’s
                                                time (assuming all the
                                                components are
                                                available). In that
                                                time, we’ll finish the
                                                ESP IDF v3.0 support,
                                                and test late next week
                                                / over next weekend
                                                (20th/21st Jan).
                                                Assuming no problems, we
                                                should be able to give
                                                factory the go-ahead to
                                                produce early the week
                                                after.</div>
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                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Given that
                                                timing, I doubt if we
                                                are going to be able to
                                                get these boards made
                                                before the Chinese New
                                                Year holidays. Even if
                                                we can get them made,
                                                FastTech distribution
                                                may not be able to get
                                                them out during the
                                                holidays. Manufacturing
                                                in China starts to close
                                                down around the end of
                                                January / early February
                                                this year. New Year
                                                itself is mid-February.
                                                Anyway, we’ll get this
                                                all finalised, payment
                                                and instruction to start
                                                manufacturing in place,
                                                then do the best we can
                                                and get these out
                                                available during
                                                February. A big warning
                                                is going to go with them
                                                that this is for early
                                                adopters only, and
                                                firmware is changing on
                                                a daily basis. Updating
                                                firmware via wifi / sd
                                                card should be fine.</div>
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                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">I’m seeing a
                                                light at the end of a
                                                long dark tunnel.</div>
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                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Regards,
                                                Mark.</div>
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