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OK, I found & fixed the cause for the invalid frames.<br>
<br>
Please pull & try again -- but I doubt it's the fix for the
stopping.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.12.2017 um 18:33 schrieb Michael
Balzer:<br>
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Do you get valid messages with the previous version?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.12.2017 um 18:30 schrieb Geir
Øyvind Vælidalo:<br>
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cite="mid:85E38BDD-C920-4996-899A-CE599FC0187B@validalo.net">
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">Ok, this is what I get. As you can see, it is
the same.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures; color: #34bc26" class="">OVMS ></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">
can can2 start active 100000</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Can bus can2 started in mode
active at speed 100000Kbps</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">V (740558) can: rx can2 id
1fffff44 len 8: 43 02 00 00 00 00 ff ff | C.......</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740618) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: b6 78 00
00 00 00 00 00 | .x......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740618) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: ff fc 0f
03 ff 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740628) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: ff ff ff
ff ff ff 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">V (740638) can: rx can2 id 000
len 8: 54 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00 | T.......</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740648) can: rx can2 id 1fffffbe len 8: 4d
02 00 00 00 00 ff ff | M.......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740678) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740748) can: rx can2 id 1fffff44 len 8: 40
02 00 00 00 00 ff ff | @.......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740818) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: b6 78 00
00 00 00 00 00 | .x......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740818) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: ff fc 0f
03 ff 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740828) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: ff ff ff
ff ff ff 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">V (740838) can: rx can2 id
1fffff13 len 8: 43 02 00 00 00 00 ff ff | C.......</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740848) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: 54 00 ff
00 00 00 00 00 | T.......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (740878) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (741018) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: b6 78 00
00 00 00 00 00 | .x......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (741018) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: ff fc 0f
03 ff 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (741028) can: rx can2 id 1fffff44 len 8: 40
02 00 00 00 00 ff ff | @.......</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">V (741038) can: rx can2 id 000
len 8: 54 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00 | T.......</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class="">V (741078) can: rx can2 id 000 len 8: 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 | ........</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height:
normal; font-family: Menlo; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(52, 188, 38);" class="">OVMS
></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
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<div class="">30. des. 2017 kl. 18:24 skrev Michael Balzer
<<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>:</div>
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charset=utf-8" class="">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> OK, and as
your log output was from your vehicle module, please
also do…<br class="">
<br class="">
level verbose<br class="">
can can2 trace on<br class="">
<br class="">
…before activating the bus.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.12.2017 um 18:22
schrieb Geir Øyvind Vælidalo:<br class="">
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cite="mid:9AC60198-FE36-460C-A708-A0602F5DDABD@validalo.net"
class="">
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charset=utf-8" class="">
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Can status gave
this:</span></div>
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line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">CAN: can2</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Mode: Active</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Speed: 100000</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Rx pkt:
104</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Rx err:
0</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Tx pkt:
0</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Tx err:
0</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal;
line-height: normal;" class=""><span
style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class="">Err flags: 0x40</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
</div>
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<div class="">30. des. 2017 kl. 18:13 skrev Geir
Øyvind Vælidalo <<a
href="mailto:geir@validalo.net" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">geir@validalo.net</a>>:</div>
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content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class="">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break:
after-white-space;" class="">Fantastic! I’m in
my car right now, so I’ll test it right now 🙂
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</div>
<div class="">Geir<br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">30. des. 2017 kl. 17:59
skrev Michael Balzer <<a
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>:</div>
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content="text/html; charset=utf-8"
class="">
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class=""> Geir,<br class="">
<br class="">
I've had a look into the mcp2515
driver and found some possible
causes for your issue. Main possible
cause would be there was no check or
clearing of RX buffer overflows.<br
class="">
<br class="">
There also was a chance the driver
would read invalid frames, as the RX
interrupts got cleared before the
buffer content was fetched.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think I've solved those issues,
and I also added retrieving the
tx/rx error counts and flags, so
"can status" can actually show you
errors that occurred.<br class="">
<br class="">
I've got no simple means to check if
my changes work and if they are more
stable, I don't have a cable for
can2/3.<br class="">
<br class="">
Can you please pull & test?<br
class="">
<br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
30.12.2017 um 10:19 schrieb Geir
Øyvind Vælidalo:<br class="">
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cite="mid:1AA896EE-296C-4862-8598-659605729CE1@validalo.net"
class="">
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<font class="" face="Courier New">can
can2 status</font> gave me the
same result. Once it stopped after
receiving just 4 frames on Can2.
During the few restarts I did this
morning, 251 was the most I got
before it stopped.
<div class="">Can1 recieved 50000
frames in no time and kept on
going. It seems Can2 is the
problem. Don’t know what
happened yesterday when can1
stopped… </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Geir <br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">29. des. 2017
kl. 22:23 skrev Michael
Balzer <<a
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>:</div>
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class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html;
charset=utf-8" class="">
<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
class=""> Geir,<br
class="">
<br class="">
can you check the output
of "can … status" before
and after death? Do the
rx/tx counters still
grow after death?<br
class="">
<br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Michael<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<div
class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
29.12.2017 um 22:14
schrieb Geir Øyvind
Vælidalo:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:F5276F08-CBF3-453B-AEED-C765CDAA9B6F@validalo.net" class="">I’m
having problems with
IncomingFrameCan when
reading from two can
buses from the Kia
Soul. One of the can
buses dies
prematurely, and quite
fast, with no visible
errors. Most of the
time it is Can2 that
dies, however that is
not always the case.
<div class="">I tried
with an almost empty
IncomingFrameCan2,
containing just a
counter to see how
many times it is
called, and it
varied from 15 to
almost 200 before
it dies. </div>
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">This is
the code:</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">RegisterCanBus(1,
CAN_MODE_ACTIVE,
CAN_SPEED_500KBPS);</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">RegisterCanBus(2,
CAN_MODE_ACTIVE,
CAN_SPEED_100KBPS);</div>
</div>
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">…</div>
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal;
line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class=""><span
style="color:
#931a68"
class="">void</span>
OvmsVehicleKiaSoulEv::IncomingFrameCan2(CAN_frame_t* p_frame)</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal;
line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">{</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal;
line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>uint8_t
*d =
p_frame->data.u8;</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal;
line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>m_counter->SetValue(
m_counter->AsInt()+1 );</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal;
line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">}</div>
</div>
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">IncomingFrameCan1
is quite verbose,
but should not take
too long time to
process. But I have
a lot of Polls on
Can1:</div>
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class=""><span
style="color:
#931a68"
class="">static</span>
<span
style="color:
#931a68"
class="">const</span>
OvmsVehicle::poll_pid_t vehicle_kiasoulev_polls[] =</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{</div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e2, 0x7ea,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIVEHICLE, 0x02, { 30, 30, 30 } }, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// VIN</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e4, 0x7ec,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x01,
{ 30, 10, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// BMC
</span><span
style="text-decoration:
underline ;
color: #4e9072"
class="">Diag</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class=""> page
01</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e4, 0x7ec,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x02,
{ 30, 30, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// BMC
</span><span
style="text-decoration:
underline ;
color: #4e9072"
class="">Diag</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class=""> page
02</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e4, 0x7ec,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x03,
{ 30, 30, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// BMC
</span><span
style="text-decoration:
underline ;
color: #4e9072"
class="">Diag</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class=""> page
03</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e4, 0x7ec,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x04,
{ 30, 30, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// BMC
</span><span
style="text-decoration:
underline ;
color: #4e9072"
class="">Diag</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class=""> page
04</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e4, 0x7ec,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x05,
{ 30, 30, 10 }
},<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// BMC
</span><span
style="text-decoration:
underline ;
color: #4e9072"
class="">Diag</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class=""> page
05</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x794, 0x79c,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x02,
{ 30, 30, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// OBC
- On board
charger</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e2, 0x7ea,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x00,
{ 30, 10, 10 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// VMCU
Shift-stick</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7e2, 0x7ea,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x02,
{ 30, 10, 0 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// VMCU
Motor </span><span
style="text-decoration: underline ; color: #4e9072" class="">temp</span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">++</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7df, 0x7de,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x06,
{ 30, 10, 0 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// TMPS</span></div>
<div style="margin:
0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0x7c5, 0x7cd,
VEHICLE_POLL_TYPE_OBDIIGROUP, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x01,
{ 30, 10, 0 }
}, <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span
style="color:
#4e9072"
class="">// LDC
- Low voltage
DC-DC</span></div>
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0px; font-stretch:
normal; font-size:
10px; line-height:
normal;
font-family:
Monaco;" class="">
{ 0, 0, 0, 0, {
0, 0, 0 } }</div>
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normal; font-size:
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<div class="">The few
times that Can2 is
the one that lives
on, I can’t see any
metrics from Can1.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">Current
source can be seen
here: <a
href="https://github.com/goev/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/goev/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System-3</a> in
case someone can
take a look.</div>
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class="">
</div>
<div class="">Any
pointers to where I
can start looking,
or tips to what I
can try?</div>
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class="">
</div>
<div class="">Best
regards,</div>
<div class="">Geir</div>
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