<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think it is fine to put this as a carbits feature to opt-out.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">#define FEATURE_CB_SSOCZERO 0x80 // Set to 1 to suppress SOC 0% alert</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards, Mark.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">P.S. sys_features are current 8bit. Not hard to increase to 16 or 32 if necessary.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 20 Apr 2016, at 5:20 PM, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class="">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Brian,<br class=""><br class="">I was not thinking about removing both SOC alerts, just the fixed one, and maybe then default the configurable to 5%.<br class=""><br class="">Self discharging rates are very low on lithium cells in general, and the BMS will normally cut off the battery long before reaching critical voltage levels, leaving several months of self discharging without damage. All third party BMS systems I checked during the last year or so support this.<br class=""><br class="">I understood from reading a web report on this, that the roadster BMS does not cut off the battery by a relais, the car electronics will continue operation until the battery is dead. The first gen Twizy has the same problem on the 12V aux battery, that's why I introduced the 12V alert. That's also a bug, consequences are just not as expensive.<br class=""><br class="">I don't need the low SOC alert at all, I use the car nearly every day (the Twizy is my only car), I always know the SOC and take care to charge it up as soon as possible, to keep cycles shallow and charge while the battery is warm. Parking at 100% SOC is also no problem on the Twizy, as the 100% mark is at ~ 4.12 V per cell, well below spec max.<br class=""><br class="">But the situation is of course different when you've got plenty of capacity and fast charging capability.<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Michael<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Am 20.04.2016 um 09:15 schrieb HONDA S-2000:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Michael,<br class=""><br class="">Any battery will continue to self-discharge, even after it is disconnected from everything.<br class=""><br class="">The Tesla Roadster does disable driving when the battery is below the single-digit cutoff, but I would still want a warning so I can come rescue the car! For example, if it were parked somewhere for a long term and the charge reached 5% (or even 7%), then I'd want to know about that because it's not a good idea to ignore the system and leave it when the charge is that low. It's certainly a warranty-voiding situation (although surely no Roadsters are in warranty any longer).<br class=""><br class="">In other words, it's not a BMS bug. Chemistry dictates that all batteries will self-discharge, even if very slowly.<br class=""><br class="">What I'm curious about is why other electric car owners would not also want to know if their battery was low enough to trigger an automatic cut-off.<br class=""><br class="">Brian<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class="">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Tom,<br class=""><br class="">so the roadster doesn't cut off the battery to avoid deep discharging?<br class="">Sounds like a bad BMS bug...<br class=""><br class="">Ok, that's a very good reason why this kind of alert should be sent out<br class="">on all channels available.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks & regards,<br class="">Michael<br class=""><br class="">Am 18.04.2016 um 20:56 schrieb Tom Saxton:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Personally, I like having the second backup warning that doesn’t depend on a setting being right. It’s a big deal if our Roadster gets down to 5% accidentally.<br class=""><br class=""> Tom<br class=""><br class="">On 4/18/16, 8:35 AM, "Michael Balzer" <<a href="mailto:ovmsdev-bounces@lists.teslaclub.hk" class="">ovmsdev-bounces@lists.teslaclub.hk</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de" class="">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi everyone,<br class=""><br class="">we've currently two low SOC alerts in the framework, one is the<br class="">configurable (feature #9) min SOC alert in vehicle_ticker(), the other<br class="">is the OVMS_SOCALERT code in net_state_ticker600().<br class=""><br class="">The latter is fixed to 5% and does not respect user channel &<br class="">notification configuration. Is there still a use case for this or is it<br class="">obsolete?<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Michael<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Michael Balzer * Helkenberger Weg 9 * D-58256 Ennepetal<br class="">Fon 02333 / 833 5735 * Handy 0176 / 206 989 26<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">OvmsDev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk" class="">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br class="">http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>