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    On 02/02/2016 10:24 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:<br>
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      Oh, and also important to bring out some expansion via sockets on
      side of case. In particular for digital I/O.</blockquote>
    Yeah, things need to come out :-)<br>
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    I had something like this in mind:<br>
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    Of course, at a smaller cheaper scale, Two rows of single pins
    leaving two borders free for connectors, maybe plastic frames that
    people will drill themselves for their 2$ OVMS expansion Protoshield
    (think : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.sparkfun.com/products/7914">https://www.sparkfun.com/products/7914</a> ), or, simply
    optionnal framing at all, just need to keep nylon spacers<br>
    We can even imagine 1U and 2U heights :-)<br>
    <br>
    Wild thought : Would it be totally crazy to have it in Arduino
    sizing and separating the CPU (+BT/Wifi if ESP32) and the Power+Can
    in two boards for easier replacement, and broader attraction to
    tinkering ?<br>
    CAN components end up more expensive than a handful of ESP8266
    (Sorry, French exageration), but CAN is robust and is not likely to
    change enough before we get to OMVS v4 ... Actually, CAN itself
    would be a module.<br>
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    JB./.<br>
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                  class="">My preference for connectors is those 0.1”
                  SIP/DIP ones. They are extremely vibration resistant,
                  breadboard compatible, stackable, etc.
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                  <div class="">When layed out properly, they also allow
                    you to stack expansion over existing board
                    components, without sacrificing much space.<br
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                    <div class="">For bringing out lots of pins, not so
                      good. But for enough for one or two expansion
                      slots they work well.</div>
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                    <div class="">Regards, Mark.</div>
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                          <div class="">On 2 Feb 2016, at 4:59 PM,
                            Julien (JaXX) Banchet <<a
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                              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/02/2016
                                08:49 AM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:<br
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                                  is similar.</div>
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                                <div class="">I view OVMS as the CAN
                                  processor - perhaps a bridge/gateway -
                                  and telematics module. User Interface,
                                  Car PC, etc, systems are best handled
                                  externally by something that starts up
                                  and shuts down with the ignition
                                  switch and can suck as much power as
                                  your home PC. OVMS has to keep
                                  running, in as low power mode as
                                  possible, as telematics are required
                                  even when the car is off.</div>
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                              Exactly, my whole point, plus, that part,
                              externalized, with a standardized way of
                              communicating with the OVMS (uart/bt +
                              ethernet/wifi+mqtt,<a
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                              give a full freedom of implementation of
                              the Heavyweight part. BTW: one of the
                              extension boards could be a power-control
                              board with power state signaling, MOSFETs,
                              and a watchdog for that part<br class="">
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                                <div class="">Regarding ESP32, that is
                                  top of our shortlisted devices for
                                  wifi/bluetooth. But, it depends on
                                  release schedule. We want OVMS v3 to
                                  be FCC and CE certified, and that
                                  means we must use FCC+CE certified
                                  modules for the comms parts.</div>
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                              I don't know if their distribution of 200
                              beta boards was a cap limit, but maybe
                              shooting a mail to <a
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                              might be worth it, asking them for
                              approximate timelines with it, no ?<br
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                                <div class="">The overall goal is for
                                  OVMS v3 to be the microprocessor,
                                  power, CAN, USB, ethernet, wifi, and
                                  bluetooth, as a base module. Then,
                                  everything else (including cellular)
                                  are optional plugin modules. We could
                                  make wifi+bluetooth optional, but I
                                  suspect that they will not add
                                  dramatically to the cost/complexity to
                                  include as standard. This has got to
                                  go in an automotive environment, so
                                  plugin modules will most likely go on
                                  some sturdy headers on the board.</div>
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                              BT/BLE I believe is a minimum to have: It
                              will allow people to have a locally
                              connected Android App (without pumping
                              data over a slow, optionnal and maybe
                              misconfigured GSM stack) and without any
                              hassle at that, latency can be sub 0.5s
                              which is bareable for live metrics...
                              plus, not all phones implement USB OTG
                              correctly... and it's cablefree, which
                              non-DIYers might appreciate.<br class="">
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                              Form factor wise, my edge connector idea
                              might not be that great, we'd end up with
                              a lonnnngg serie of boards, maybe
                              stackable as an arduino shield ?
                              connectors are cheap, easier for the
                              DIYer, no need to design long pathways
                              that get in the way for signals from
                              border to border...<br class="">
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                                                          I love the
                                                          OpenCV part,
                                                          though I'll
                                                          have to find a
                                                          way to retofit
                                                          powersteering
                                                          and brake
                                                          actuators in a
                                                          Twizy, that
                                                          said, it all
                                                          shoots way
                                                          beyond the
                                                          scope of OVMS
                                                          (even a v4/v5)
                                                          imho... but,
                                                          but, but... an
                                                          OVMS module
                                                          shall be the
                                                          bridge and the
                                                          low-level
                                                          comms
                                                          offloader for
                                                          an optionnal
                                                          "Hyper Smart
                                                          OpenCV
                                                          Dashboard
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                                                          Streaming
                                                          thingy" that a
                                                          sister project
                                                          can take over
                                                          :-) (my
                                                          opinion again)<br
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                                                          So yeah, It
                                                          needs to be
                                                          beefy, and the
                                                          ESP32 seems to
                                                          be a nice
                                                          candidate and
                                                          embeds by
                                                          itself a nice
                                                          load of
                                                          functions
                                                          (Wifi and
                                                          BLE!)<br
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                                                          It has no CAN,
                                                          but it has SPI
                                                          (can't tell
                                                          how many on
                                                          this pinout)
                                                          and plenty of
                                                          HS GPIOs for
                                                          native or soft
                                                          UARTs. Having
                                                          2 CANbuses
                                                          shouldn't be
                                                          an issue (I'll
                                                          let those who
                                                          fathomed that
                                                          more than me
                                                          tell me wrong
                                                          otherwise)<br
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                                                        I don't believe
                                                        everyone needs a
                                                        2/3/4G stack,
                                                        not counting
                                                        that those
                                                        radios end up
                                                        being the big
                                                        bucks of the
                                                        BOM.<br class="">
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                                                      Instead, would it
                                                      be possible to
                                                      envision a naked
                                                      board with an
                                                      extension bus and
                                                      i2c, interrupts,
                                                      multiplexed (or
                                                      not) enable and
                                                      power lanes? (an
                                                      edge fitted socket
                                                      for example, each
                                                      extension board
                                                      presents another
                                                      socket)<br
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                                                    The motivation for
                                                    this particular
                                                    request is:<br
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                                                    lowers the base
                                                    cost, with knowledge
                                                    it can be enhanced,
                                                    and still carries
                                                    Wifi+BTBLE for local
                                                    connectivity with an
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                                                  - I doubt my Twizy
                                                  will ever be stolen to
                                                  be brought out of LoRa
                                                  range, and those
                                                  networks are being
                                                  deployed quickly, no
                                                  need for power hungry
                                                  GSM stacks (that empty
                                                  my Twizys' 12V battery
                                                  in 3 days, driving me
                                                  nuts by the way)<br
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                                                - I might want a home
                                                brewed I2C GPIO extender
                                                on it, a socket makes it
                                                easy to make (or a
                                                stepper motor drivers to
                                                pilot a paintball gun
                                                turret fitted on the
                                                roof and shoot *ssholes)<br
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                                              - The hypothetical day I
                                              upgrade to a Tesla 3, I
                                              can add that 5G Module
                                              that wasn't out yet ;-)<br
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                                            Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:30 PM,
                                            Michael Eymann <span
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                                                <div class="">what about
                                                  opening our garden,
                                                  providing a public
                                                  park which could be
                                                  used for several
                                                  features beside the
                                                  scope of this group?</div>
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                                                <div class="">3G/4G Wlan
                                                  Bluetooth GPS whatever
                                                  could be added /
                                                  replaced easily….</div>
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                                                <div class="">what i
                                                  mean is vocabulary
                                                  like:</div>
                                                <div class="">-
                                                  raspberry pi</div>
                                                <div class="">- CarPI
                                                  (CarPC)</div>
                                                <div class="">- OBD -
                                                  smartphone speedometer
                                                  gadgets (sure really
                                                  useless - but the
                                                  mainstream love it)</div>
                                                <div class="">- Harry´s
                                                  laptimer support (<a
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                                                  // video: <a
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                                                    class="">Harry's
                                                    LapTimer GPS/OBD II
                                                    Video Overlay -
                                                    Nordschleife with
                                                    911 GTS</a> <a
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                                                <div class="">- Wlan..
                                                  repeater - hotspot…
                                                  (my favorit)</div>
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                                                <div class="">this could
                                                  also enable add on
                                                  development….</div>
                                                <div class="">- spotify </div>
                                                <div class="">- surround
                                                  view parking (raspian
                                                  & openCV?) //
                                                  AVM: <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9iVoSvjGk" target="_blank"
                                                    class="">AVM (Around
                                                    View Monitoring
                                                    /monitor ) 4CH
                                                    camera become 360
                                                    degree Parking
                                                    Guidance System</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                    href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9iVoSvjGk"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9iVoSvjGk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9iVoSvjGk</a></a></div>
                                                <div class="">- KITT
                                                  Watch - car call?</div>
                                                <div class="">- replace
                                                  Infotainment systems</div>
                                                <div class="">-
                                                  SmartAutomation like
                                                  OpenHab integration
                                                  (They call it
                                                  „Binding“ - Tesla
                                                  Model S Binding is
                                                  already integrated -
                                                  did they overtake us?
                                                  ;-) <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openhab.org/" target="_blank" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openhab.org">http://www.openhab.org</a></a></div>
                                                <div class=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class="">            </span></div>
                                                <div class=""><br
                                                    class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class=""><br
                                                    class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="">views?</div>
                                                <span class="HOEnZb"><font
                                                    class=""
                                                    color="#888888">
                                                    <div class=""><br
                                                        class="">
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="">Michael</div>
                                                    <div class=""><br
                                                        class="">
                                                    </div>
                                                  </font></span>
                                                <div class=""><br
                                                    class="">
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div class="h5">
                                                        <div class="">Am
                                                          01.02.2016 um
                                                          18:51 schrieb
                                                          Dominik
                                                          Westner <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:ovms@nikwest.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ovms@nikwest.de">ovms@nikwest.de</a></a>>:</div>
                                                        <br class="">
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                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div class="">
                                                        <div class="h5">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:break-word"
                                                          class="">Generally
                                                          I think 3G
                                                          doesn’t make a
                                                          lot of sense.
                                                          A new platform
                                                          should be 4G
                                                          capable. As
                                                          far as I know
                                                          2G is more
                                                          likely to stay
                                                          longer than
                                                          3G. 
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          know already
                                                          some areas in
                                                          Germany and
                                                          Austria where
                                                          you can find
                                                          4G and maybe
                                                          2G, but no 3G.</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">For
                                                          example
                                                          seeedstudio
                                                          retargeted
                                                          their Rephone
                                                          3G module to
                                                          4G after some
                                                          investigations
                                                          about the
                                                          future of 3G.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">(<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p/posts/1468366"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p/posts/1468366">https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p/posts/1468366</a></a>)</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Just
                                                          my 2 cents</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Dominik</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          01 Feb 2016,
                                                          at 18:30,
                                                          Arthur Hebert
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ahebert@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ahebert@gmail.com">ahebert@gmail.com</a></a>>

                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
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                                                          class="">The
                                                          Particle
                                                          Electron has
                                                          recently
                                                          caught my
                                                          attention: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                                          href="https://www.particle.io/cellular"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.particle.io/cellular">https://www.particle.io/cellular</a></a>.
                                                          Actual
                                                          performance
                                                          and usability
                                                          are unknown,
                                                          since the
                                                          first units
                                                          don't ship
                                                          until later
                                                          this month,
                                                          but it has
                                                          some
                                                          attractive
                                                          features:
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <ul class="">
                                                          <li class="">low-cost

                                                          M2M-oriented
                                                          international
                                                          SMS/data plans
                                                          ($3/mo. for
                                                          20k messages)</li>
                                                          <li class="">STM32F205

                                                          MCU with <b
                                                          class="">1MB
                                                          flash</b>, 128k

                                                          RAM and <b
                                                          class="">2 CAN
                                                          buses</b></li>
                                                          <li class="">free

                                                          development
                                                          IDE: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.particle.io/dev"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.particle.io/dev">https://www.particle.io/dev</a></a></li>
                                                          <li class="">also
                                                          a free
                                                          web-based dev
                                                          environment at
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://build.particle.io/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://build.particle.io">https://build.particle.io</a></a>
                                                          (I assume/hope
                                                          this will
                                                          support the
                                                          Electron
                                                          cellular board
                                                          when it comes
                                                          out)</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          know it
                                                          doesn't come
                                                          close to
                                                          meeting the
                                                          RAM
                                                          requirements,
                                                          but the
                                                          cellular plan
                                                          is a pretty
                                                          big draw IMO.
                                                          Perhaps worth
                                                          using this
                                                          module in
                                                          conjunction
                                                          with another
                                                          board with a
                                                          better MCU?</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">-Arthur</div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br
                                                          class="">
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