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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Michael,<br>
      It's not a technical problem to pull data (and push updates) to
      these directories, they just don't want to do it or cannot
      re-license the data. There will always be people who prefer other
      sites/apps and there will also always be new ones hoping to become
      the next big thing in EV charging. The difference with OCM is that
      user contributed data is Open licensed for wider distribution,
      whereas most other sites/apps are not, instead they tend to keep
      the data for themselves in an attempt to build their own brand and
      perhaps even make a profit.<br>
      <br>
      Open Charge Map will not be holding data on Private
      (residential/home) charging because our data is widely
      shared/distributed and we cannot then comply with the various data
      protection laws in place globally which are designed to protect
      consumers. The most obvious problems are when you move house and
      don't update your listing (or can't update it), then the new owner
      gets people turning up for a charge. OCM will instead be implement
      Charging Requests whereby people can request a charge in a
      specific area and other users can get in touch with them to
      arrange, that way their private information doesn't need to be
      broadly published.<br>
      <br>
      Christopher Cook<br>
      Open Charge Map<br>
      <br>
      On 30/09/2014 01:45, Michael Balzer wrote:<br>
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      Hi Jean-Christophe,<br>
      <br>
      having users enter data in multiple charge point databases will
      not work, users tend to stick to their preferred directory.<br>
      <br>
      Charge point directories should interface with each other to
      exchange and enrich charge point information.<br>
      <br>
      There are two major public charge point directories for Germany
      and Europe:<br>
      <br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lemnet.org/de/">http://www.lemnet.org/de/</a><br>
      <br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/">http://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/</a><br>
      <br>
      LEMnet exists since 1997 and has the most charge points but is a
      bit "old school". GoingElectric is brand new, integrates a very
      good trip planning tool and has a very active community, nearly
      catched up with LEMnet on data. LEMnet still contains more private
      charge points (like mine) meant for light electric vehicles or
      bikes, while GE is more directed towards charging networks and
      high power stations.<br>
      <br>
      Data quality is excellent on both directories.<br>
      <br>
      If you establish interfaces or data synchronisation with these
      two, the OCM will cover 99.9% of all charge points available in
      Europe.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Michael<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2014 um 09:25 schrieb J-C
        Saint-Pô:<br>
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                                                          Michael,<br>
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                                                          With all this
                                                          beautiful work
                                                          you do, I
                                                          would just buy
                                                          a Twizy to be
                                                          able to try it
                                                          all out!
                                                          :-))))<br>
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                                                          note,<br>
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                                                          If your German
                                                          or other
                                                          counterparts
                                                          would like to
                                                          have more
                                                          chargepoints
                                                          visible in the
                                                          ovms app, ,
                                                          They can do
                                                          this by adding
                                                          them on the <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openchargemap.org" target="_blank">openchargemap.org</a>
                                                          site<br>
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                                                          They do not
                                                          need to have a
                                                          OCM login to
                                                          be able to do
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                                                        The handy thing
                                                        about loging in
                                                        into ocm, is
                                                        that after a
                                                        moderator
                                                        checked your
                                                        submissions
                                                        where donne
                                                        correctly we can
                                                        give editing
                                                        permissions to
                                                        that person. 
                                                        This way it's
                                                        submissions will
                                                        immediatelly
                                                        published
                                                        without having
                                                        to be moderated<br>
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                                                      When you are loged
                                                      into ocm, the
                                                      comments you gave
                                                      can be deleted by
                                                      yourself in your
                                                      ocm profile on the
                                                      ocm website<br>
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                                                    but giving a comment
                                                    can also be donne
                                                    anonumously, but
                                                    then the comment can
                                                    only be deleted by a
                                                    moderator<br>
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                                                  for people worried
                                                  about remembering a
                                                  new pasword for ocm
                                                  and privacy<br>
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                                                OCM does not store
                                                passwords or personnel
                                                data<br>
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                                              You login with your
                                              twitter, google+ or
                                              facebook account<br>
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                                            The only account data ocm
                                            stores is <br>
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                                          twitter = twitteraccount and
                                          twitterusername<br>
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                                        google+ = google+accountname and
                                        google+ e-mail<br>
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                                      facebook = facebookaccount link
                                      & accountname<br>
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                                    on these ocmaccounts data, ocm can
                                    then add for which country you have
                                    editing permission, <br>
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                                  If people know how to bulk import
                                  chargepoints from certain providers,
                                  please contact <a
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                                    target="_blank">christopher.cook@openchargemap.net</a> 
                                  or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:christopher.cook@webprofusion.com"
                                    target="_blank">christopher.cook@webprofusion.com</a> 
                                  , he is the brains behind the ocm
                                  project!<br>
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                                For simple things like adding a provider
                                to the existing list, you can mail me, <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:jcsaintpo@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">jcsaintpo@gmail.com</a><br>
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                              I have already reached out o many
                              providers to ask them for the ability to
                              bulk import, but unfortunately I succeed
                              only very rarely!<br>
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                            So if you can help ocm, please do so!<br>
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                          Ocm is not a commercial endeavour, due to
                          which we do not have the manpower to find and
                          contact all providors<br>
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                        Just as Openvehicles OCM depends on a few
                        enthusiastic people <br>
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                      and with few, I really mean 2-3 people doing it in
                      their spare time and more and more active users<br>
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                    If people using openvehicles that can not programme
                    could add 1 chargingstation located in their
                    neighbourhood every day, or week, I think this would
                    greatly help ocm, but the openvehiclesapp too I
                    think<br>
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                  Sorry for all my rambling!<br>
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                Anyhow, I admire all the gorgeous work you people do
                with openvehicles<br>
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            Jean-Christophe<br>
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          Moderator/administrator for Openchargemap in my spare time ;-)<br>
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