<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hello everybody,<br></div>I threw the ball: <a href="http://hackaday.io/project/1888-Phi-Go">http://hackaday.io/project/1888-Phi-Go</a><br></div>The plan is to participate in the contest to see how the developer public reacts, and if there's enough interest apply for an accelerator program in Shenzhen to build the boards ( <a href="http://www.haxlr8r.com/">http://www.haxlr8r.com/</a> ). The first expansion board that I will develop will of course have a dual CAN bus and all the features needed by the OVMS, as this is what inspired me in the first place, and I'll donate some board to the project. I'd love to make a living doing open hardware, and this project starts with the same philosophy that got the raspberry started in the first place: make an affordable computer and development platform that everyone can use to learn and improve the world.<br>
</div>If all goes well, we'll meet soon Mark! :)<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Mastro Gippo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-27 0:10 GMT+02:00 Mark Webb-Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>Arduimo UNO based:</div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Microcontroller ATMega328P</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Max Frequency 16MHz</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> RAM Capacity 2K</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> FLASH Capacity 32K</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span>Less than what we have now for v2 hardware.</span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 27 Jun, 2014, at 5:53 am, Nikolay Shishkov <<a href="mailto:nshishkov@yahoo.com" target="_blank">nshishkov@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>How about this then?</span></div>
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Arduino GSM/GPRS board $60</div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span><a href="http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=57&product_id=67" target="_blank">http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=57&product_id=67</a><br>
</span></div><div> </div><div>And OBD adapter $40</div><div><a href="http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=30" target="_blank">http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=30</a><br>
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<div><a href="http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=55" target="_blank">http://freematics.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=55</a><br></div>
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Total $130...</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><br></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">One can connect additional hardware - screen, bluetooth, xbee, sd card reader, etc. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">No box though, and I don't know enough to access if the hardware is designed for automotive environment... like -20C to +90C, voltage spikes, etc.</div>
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Nikolay</div><div> </div> <div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Monday, June 23, 2014 12:24 PM, Mastro Gippo <<a href="mailto:gipmad@gmail.com" target="_blank">gipmad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr">
I really don't like the SO-DIMM form factor, especially in an automotive environment. If the biggest problem is current consumption, I think that the best option would still be a smartphone (maybe MTK based), as a phone can easily last a day or two on a
1200mAh battery while receiving notifications from the network...<br clear="none">
</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>2014-06-23 6:42 GMT+02:00 Mark Webb-Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>></span>:<br clear="none">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Marcos,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Looks really interesting as a form factor.</div><div><br clear="none">
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<div>I looked at both Pi and BeagleBone black for this project, but power requirements are very high for both. The modules are both designed for 3G graphics via HDMI, don’t have CAN bus, and probably have too high CPU speed and RAM+Flash for our needs. Really not a good fit from what I can see (excessive in some areas, not enough in others), but the Raspberry Compute Module is a lot closer than the original Pi A. It seems to be that using the older A version of the Pi, and re-working the power supply, 20% can be saved on the power, but that is still no-where close to what we want. I saw another product where they paired a little arduino MCU beside the Pi, to be able to sleep/awake the Pi and reduce power consumption.</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>From a power point of view, the only way this is going to work if we are going to be able to put as much as possible to sleep when the car is not driving and not charging, but to be able to wake it up remotely from the App if necessary. It seems that using a smart modem should give us that capability - as we can control GPIOs from the modem and have that wake up the CPU if necessary.</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br clear="none"><div><div><div><div>On 21 Jun, 2014, at 4:59 am, Marcos Mezo <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:mmezo@selexco.net" target="_blank">mmezo@selexco.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello everyone,<br clear="none">
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no really knowing at all about all this, but... Have you heard
about the Raspberry Compute Module?<br clear="none">
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It's basically the Raspberry A on a module + 4Gb Flash. I think
it's design is open and the page says it will sell for about 30$
in batches of 100, a bit more for individual purchases. It has
internal 4Gb Flash and 512Mb RAM and a 32bit CPU ). All the gpios
and everything else are routed to a SODIMM connector.<br clear="none">
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I've read in the product documentation [2] that internally, the
broadcom chip does not power at all it's different parts or
modules unless they are beeing used, so if no 3D is used this part
of the chip is not powered and draining any power...<br clear="none">
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Theres is still no CAN or Wifi or bluetooth, but maybe that could
be in the "mainboard". There could even be different mainboards
with/without Wifi or 3g... <br clear="none">
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[1]
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/" target="_blank">http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/</a><br clear="none">
[2]
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/README.md" target="_blank">http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/README.md</a><br clear="none">
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<ul><li>For me, the requirement comes down to a base framework and
module that supports:<br clear="none">
</li></ul><ul><li>32bit CPU with enough grunt, and a low-power sleep mode</li><li>Dual CAN</li><li>Async + I2C + SPI + GPIO expansion</li><li>SD-Card</li><li>USB</li><li>Lots of RAM and FLASH</li><li>Wifi</li><li>
Bluetooth</li><li>Optional GSM</li><li>Optional display (or can we get away with bluetooth to a
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<ul><li>What is interesting is the advent of low-cost Linux
frameworks that are very close to what we need. Things like
the BeagleBone and RasberryPi are fascinating, but really
designed for HDMI video output - and the overhead of GPU +
HDMI is a huge power drain. The closest I've found to what
we require is (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://compulab.co.il/products/computer-on-modules/cm-t335/" target="_blank">http://compulab.co.il/products/computer-on-modules/cm-t335/</a>)
- pretty amazing little device - low power, wifi+bluetooth,
dual CAN, up to 512MB RAM and 1GB FLASH, for around US$50
(in horrendous quantities). I'm working with my contacts in
China to see if we can base on a dev board something like
that. If they can make Android phones for US$50, we should
be able to get the guts of such a device for something
similar. Then, add on GSM, take it from a BOM to a product,
and we're probably looking at something still <US$150 but
with so much more. The closest thing to ideal I've found at
the moment is build a baseboard (connectors, power, CAN
buses, etc) and have slots to take that CM-T335 module and
an optional GSM module. But, I still think we can find
something on the China market even closer to what we
want/need.</li></ul>
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