<div dir="ltr"><div><br>Why so complicated? Firstly I don't think my proposed solution is particularly complicated. Secondly what happens if the GSM clock jumps - for example if you are parked close to two GSM cells, one with the "correct" time and one with a different time (perhaps simply running with time since cell rebooted) - you are likely to get some pretty skewed times in OVMS. Also, perhaps more likely, if you are in an area of poor GSM signal and so the SIM908 is reporting time based on up-time for several hours, then the weather changes or something else allows the module to suddenly pick up the correct time - what happens to the "time parked"?<br>
<br></div>Matt<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 November 2013 10:38, Michael Jochum <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikeljo@me.com" target="_blank">mikeljo@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi,<div><br></div><div>why so complicated?</div><div>Remember the time/date from GSM when car gets parked.</div>
<div>Every 60 sec. get the new Time/date from the GSM Module.</div><div>Little math and you have the Parking time.</div><div>If you need smaller time frames use a ticker with an offset. The offset is calculated with the difference between the GSM time an the time from the ticker.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Bye</div><div>Michael</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Am 11.11.2013 um 09:50 schrieb Matt Beard OVMS <<a href="mailto:smvo@mxf.org.uk" target="_blank">smvo@mxf.org.uk</a>>:</div><div><div class="h5">
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Can I suggest that the update from the SIM908 time has a sanity check such that a time well outside the expected range is taken as a new starting time for the updates. This will prevent an error that I have seen on some charging posts where the clock gets updated during a charge (I suspect after a reboot the first time a genuine time is received, which could be several minutes after the reboot and after your charge starts) this can give very strange times in the charger log. So, I would suggest a system similar to the following:<br>
<br></div>1) First time through, record the SIM908 time in epoch seconds, and the corresponding car_time<br></div>2) Next time through (60 seconds later) get the SIM908 time in epoch seconds and subtract the stored value<br>
</div>3) If the difference is between 30 and 120, change car_time to stored_car_time + diff<br></div>4) Store current SIM908 time in epoch seconds, and the newly corrected car_time<br></div>5) goto 2<br><br></div>There is an issue with this in that the time can jump backwards a number of seconds - which may break some code at some point!<br>
<br></div>A solution to this would be to update car_time if it moves forward, but if it moves backwards do this by setting a "stall count" that prevents the car_time being updated for that number of 1 second intervals. This could safely be a byte as step 2 above ensures we can never move backwards more than 30 seconds.<br>
<br></div>Matt Beard<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 November 2013 01:33, Mark Webb-Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div>Tom, Michael,<div><br></div><div>GPS time is extremely accurate, but once satellite coverage is lost, so is the time.</div>
<div><br></div><div>GSM time is dependent on the carrier keeping their times accurate in their cell towers. In the past this was a problem, but not so much nowadays. However, if the GSM connectivity is lost, the clock in the SIM908 module we use keeps running - and that is a huge advantage over GPS. You can see this in my example, earlier in this email thread - the clock is shown as 10/10/10 00:02:51 even in a module without a SIM card or GSM antenna attached. I think the SIMCOM chip we use will be pretty accurate.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Reflecting on this, I actually think the following approach would be 'good enough':</div><div><br></div><div><ol><li>Use the LED interrupt to keep a track of 104.8576ms ticks per interrupt, and increment car_time appropriately.<br>
<br></li><li>Use net.c polling to get the time from the GSM module. Convert it to epoch seconds (hopefully not too hard, if we can find a simple algorithm for it). If car_time and that differs, then adjust car_time to match but ALSO adjust car_parktime by the same amount. This would be done once every 60 seconds when GSM is online.<br>
<br></li><li>Use a net_fnbits bit to control whether the above is done or not. Remove all car_time code from vehicle modules that turn this on.</li></ol></div><div><br></div><div>The only tricky bit would be the epoch seconds function. We would need to convert a GSM date/time (like “10/10/10,00:02:51+00”) into UTC number of seconds since January 1st 1970. Or, maybe microchip C includes a gmtime() function? I haven't had a chance to check...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><div><br><div><div>On 11 Nov, 2013, at 2:47 am, Tom Saxton <<a href="mailto:tom@idleloop.com" target="_blank">tom@idleloop.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>I had the same thought, but GPS doesn’t work when the car is in a garage, an important case for a parking timer. Cell coverage seems to be much more penetrating than GPS.</div>
<div><br></div><div> Tom</div><div><br></div><span><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)">
<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Michael Jochum <<a href="mailto:mikeljo@me.com" target="_blank">mikeljo@me.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> OVMS Developers <<a href="mailto:ovmsdev@lists.teslaclub.hk" target="_blank">ovmsdev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Sunday, November 10, 2013 at 10:30 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> OVMS Developers <<a href="mailto:ovmsdev@lists.teslaclub.hk" target="_blank">ovmsdev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Ovmsdev] Inaccurate car_parktime / car_time<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi,<div><br></div><div>what do you think about the GPS Clock?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Bye</div><div>Michael</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Am 10.11.2013 um 14:01 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net" target="_blank">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Our approach at the moment is very kludgy and not at all accurate.<div><br></div><div>For the cars without internal support for a timer, we increment car_time on a ticker() call, which is approximately once per second, but not in delay loops. It is really just intended to give a very approximate 1 second ticker, not a clock-accurate timer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the PIC, we have four hardware-level timers. Currently:</div><div> - Timer 0: Used to drive the main event loop</div><div> - Timer 1: Interrupt-driven, and used for LED blinking</div><div> - Timer 2: Used for short delays</div>
<div> - Timer 3: Unused</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect that a better approach would be the Timer 1 we currently have. That runs off the FOSC/4 (20Mhz/4 = 5MHz) and uses a 1:8 pre-scaler, so the internal timer works at 625,000 ticks per second. With a 16 bit value, it will overflow (interrupt) 9.53674 times per second. By my calculations, that means each ‘tick’ is approximately 104.8576ms. It would be fairly trivial to keep a counter there, and drive car_time from that. I am just not sure how accurate that oscillator is (particularly as temperature changes) - but I suspect that it would be good enough for what we need.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alternatively, or additionally, the GSM modem has a clock which can be polled by AT+CCLK. It would not be hard to do that in the net.c code (probably where we normally poll for status once a minute) and adjust car_time as necessary there. For example, changing net.c:</div>
<div><br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" type="cite">rom char NET_CREG_CIPSTATUS[] = "AT+CREG?;+CIPSTATUS;+CSQ\r";</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>to:</div><div><br>
</div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" type="cite">rom char NET_CREG_CIPSTATUS[] = "AT+CREG?;+CSQ;+CCLK?;+CIPSTATUS\r";</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Produces:</div><div>
<br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" type="cite"><div>+CREG: 1,0</div><div>+CSQ: 0,0</div><div>+CCLK: “10/10/10,00:02:51+00”</div><div>ERROR</div></blockquote></div><div><br></div>
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(for my disconnected state).</div><div><br></div><div>The fact that the time is wrong is irrelevant. All we’d need it to do is look at the GSM module time and look for drift against car_time. We would need to protect against large changes (as the module gets a GSM connection, there may be a very large jump as the timezone and other things get set correctly).</div>
<div><br></div><div>The only other ‘trick’ here is that this function would need to be controlled by a vehicle feature bit - some cars don’t need it.</div><div><br></div><div>The coding should not be too hard, but the testing might take some work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br><div><div>On 7 Nov, 2013, at 10:17 pm, Håkon Markussen <<a href="mailto:hakon.markussen@gmail.com" target="_blank">hakon.markussen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>The car_time is incremented in the state_ticker1 (approx once every second).<br></div>However I've noticed that this is extremely inacurate <br>
<br>
</div>Today I started a stopwatch when parking the car, and compared it to the car_parktime in the iOS app:<br></div> - Stopwatch: 8:00 (eight hours)<br></div> - car_parktime: 6:01 (six hours and one minute<br></div>A difference of 1 hour and 59 minutes during 8 hours!<br>
<br>I wonder if this could be done in an other way? <br>E.g. by pulling the time from the GPS?<br><br></div>Best regards.<br></div>Håkon Markussen<br></div>
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