<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Long post - apologies...</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not suggesting changing the current hardware offering, but coming up with something more powerful to offer along side it. Requirements listed include:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>WIFI</li><li>Bluetooth</li><li>Display</li><li>Full OBD-II</li><li>More CAN buses</li><li>3G</li><li>SD-Card for data logging capability</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>We've been talking about this for a while, and have tried various approaches. It comes down to a choice between:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>Low power embedded PIC style</li><li>High power Linux arm style</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>My personal preference is for low-power - especially given the 12V issues we've seen.</div><div><br></div><div>A couple of things have come together over the past few months, and there are some interesting opportunities:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>I've been looking at the PIC32MX795 microcontroller. 128KB of RAM, 512KB flash. 6 async ports. 2 CAN buses. etc.</li><li>Using controller-based touch-screen LCDs is hellishly expensive. But, Microchip have a neat solution. Using an off-chip memory buffer (or on chip ram for lower resolutions) and DMA transfers, a 4.3" LCD WQVGA resolution display (with touchscreen) can be interfaced for a fraction of the cost of a controller-based display, using just 5% to 10% of the CPU.</li><li>3G is possible - just need to work out the required frequencies to see if we need (a) the tri-band version, or (b) two different dual-band versions.</li><li>Full OBD-II is relatively easy - standard outputs interfaces via async serial ELM327 style (using the newer STN1110).</li><li>Single-wire CAN is also possible.</li><li>The PIC32s have USB on-board (for serial, or firmware upload).</li><li>SD-Card is relatively easy (libraries are available, and plenty of I/O PINs for the I2C controller).</li><li>Bluetooth modules are easy (async serial interface).</li><li>Wifi is possible (for wifi client based setups as an alternative to 3G - hotspot is trickier).</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>The design I've been looking at includes:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>A 4.3" multi-touch 400x240 resolution LCD display.</li><li>A primary PIC32MX795 cpu for 2xCAN ports, 1xOBD-II main control tasks (always on).</li><li>A secondary PIC32MX795 cpu with LCC setup to drive the LCD display and touchpad - this is just for UI.</li><li>SD-Card</li><li>Wifi</li><li>Bluetooth</li><li>3G+GPS</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>We could use the 2xCAN ports on the second (display) CPU as well, if we needed them - although the basic setup above already has 3 CAN ports (2 direct and 1 via OBD-II). The primary controller has power control and can power down the other parts of the system (particularly power hungry systems like display) when the car is off.</div><div><br></div><div><div>It seems to me that the more advanced portion of our user base wants to do some sophisticated stuff, and there is a very large community of users out there using things like the DashDAQ for real-time logging and display of vehicle metrics.</div></div><div><br></div><div>The DashDAQ costs US$549 (plus extras), and doesn't have wifi, bluetooth, 3G - it only works on OBD-II and is 'closed' (although you can do some screen design in it).</div><div><br></div><div>Feature-wise, I'm looking at something like the DashDAQ. The ability to make screens with real-time metrics, as well as an in-car display. Couple that with logging capability for both low-level CAN/OBD-II traffic and high-level gps-based plots. Wifi-connectivity to home wifis for garages with no 3G coverage, and bluetooth for cell-phone connectivity. Plus, all the existing OVMS features.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm guessing that the hardware to do all of the above would be about double what we have now (so around US$200). The biggest cost items are the 4.3" display and 3G module. CPUs are cheap (about US$10 each). There are quite a large number of ancillary components (especially for OBD-II), but it should fit in an enclosure behind a 4.3" display.</div><div><br></div><div>Other than bread-boarding some mock-ups, to see if this is feasible, I haven't done any extensive work on the above.</div><div><br></div><div>What do people think? Is this something people would want? A way to grow the community? Or, is there a better way of doing it?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br></div></body></html>