<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Am 22.02.2013 um 09:46 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>Ok, answering myself (after re-reading [struggling] through that German PDF), I see there are 3 BMS, so probably:<div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>0x165, 0x1E5 and 0x2E5 are from BMS1</li><li>0x166, 0x1E6 and 0x2E6 are from BMS2</li><li>0x167, 0x1E7 and 0x2E7 are from BMS3</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>And that leaves 0x267 sticking out as something special. Not a BMS but some other controller.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br><div><div>On 22 Feb, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>Patrick,<div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">I've uploaded the logs and a description of all available parameters on my dropbox. Please don't upload the parameter list anywhere else as this is confidential service information from Tazzari.</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Data looks very simple. Seems to be only 10 regular IDs on the CAN bus:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x165</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x166</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x167</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x1E5</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x1E6</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x1E7</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x267</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x2E5</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x2E6</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">0x2E7</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of those, nine are relatively boring (just decrementing numbers ?!?!!!?):</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>Blind guess is that 0x165, 0x166, 0x167, 0x1E5, 0x1E6 and 0x1E7 are battery voltages/current - 2 bytes per reading, 4 readings per message. That would be 24 readings total. How many sheets in the Tazzari battery pack?</li><li>0x2E5 and 0x2E6 are interesting in that they are unchanging for all logs except charging (where they count down).</li><li>No idea what 0x2E7 is - that wiggles slightly on all the logs.</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>But 0x267 stands out:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'">charging.CSV<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,5875<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,7381<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,8887<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,0393<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,1899<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,3406<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,4912<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,6418<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,7924<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,9430<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br><br>ignition_on_driving.CSV<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>******<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8E<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,2245<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8E<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,3751<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,5257<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,6764<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,8270<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,9776<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,1282<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,2788<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>90<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,4294<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>90<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br><br>ignition_on_no_gear_selected.CSV<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,2458<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8D<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,3963<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8F<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,5469<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8E<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,6977<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8D<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,8481<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8C<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,9989<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8D<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,1495<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8C<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,3000<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8C<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,4508<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8C<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,6012<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>8C<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br><br>parked.CSV<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,1960<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,3466<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F8<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,4973<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,6479<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,7985<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0,9491<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F4<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,0997<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F4<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,2503<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,4009<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<br>0x267<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1,5516<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>FF<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>00</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Seems to be B5 is 00 when driving, or FF when not. But, then again this is just a few seconds of logs - but it might be worth checking into. Perhaps it is just SOC, and was different at the time the four logs were taken, or were they taken at very similar times? Can you check that 0x267 B5 theory? I guess you'd need to see more data, and in particular a log showing the transition from car off to ignition on to driving (in one log) would be helpful.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">Another important thing to mention is the power supply of the port. As the Tazzari has no 12V-Battery at all it's got everything powered via DCDC-Converters. There is a tiny one for the alarm and remote key and a big one for the rest of the power such as lights, radio, etc. AND *sadface* the BMS. The BMS Port is only active while driving, charging and about 3 mins after one shuts the car off.</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>So does that mean that after 3 minutes the 12V power is cut to that port? OVMS will lose power?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br><div><div>On 22 Feb, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Patrick Kapsch wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Mark,<br>thanks for the quick reply.<br>The Baud rate is 1.000.000. The problem with the driving-idicator value is that the Port just provides BMS information. There is only an indication of the selected drive mode which doesn't reset itself to a "no mode selected" value, but instead back to one particular drive mode.<br>Another important thing to mention is the power supply of the port. As the Tazzari has no 12V-Battery at all it's got everything powered via DCDC-Converters. There is a tiny one for the alarm and remote key and a big one for the rest of the power such as lights, radio, etc. AND *sadface* the BMS. The BMS Port is only active while driving, charging and about 3 mins after one shuts the car off. Thank god we have a server that caches the last values provided by the car. As a parked car with no charging will have no changes to the SOC or other important values, it's okay, but we have to keep that in mind.<br><br>I've uploaded the logs and a description of all available parameters on my dropbox. Please don't upload the parameter list anywhere else as this is confidential service information from Tazzari.<br><br><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/l/lzz7mJyDjMW3A8rmVaNfHd">https://www.dropbox.com/l/lzz7mJyDjMW3A8rmVaNfHd</a><br><br>Regards,<br>Patrick Kapsch<br><br><br>Am 22.02.2013 um 03:10 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Patrick,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I wasn't really able to dive deeply into the messages, but I found the SOC and a charge-status that indicates whether or not the car charges. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This looks to be a variant of OBDII style communications. Very similar to what we are using for the Volt/Ampera and generic OBDII modules.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Request:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x78A<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>75 21 F6 E0<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'm guessing 7521 is the request function, and F6E0 is the PID (item) being requested. The request is sent to the controller at 0x78A.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Reply:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0x775<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0A A1 F6 E0 00 00 00 63<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The controller replies from 0x775. In OBDII, an offset of 8 is used. It seems the Tazzari uses an offset of 21 - bizarre, but possible.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">0AA1 is presumably the code for 'reply to your item request'.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">F6E0 is the PID being replied.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The remaining four bytes (00000063) is the replied data.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm still searching for a way to tell if the car is parked or not. As far as I know by now there is nothing on the Bus that indicates this. Is a GPS-Based determination generally possible? The OVMS would have to check the coordinates periodically and compare them. A charging process indicates a parked car as well, and could turn of the GPS comparison.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Surprised: I would have thought this would have been the easier one to find.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think GPS would not be suitable / ideal for this:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- It would need quite a bit of logic to differentiate 'moving' vs just normal GPS slight position changes.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- What if GPS lock was lost - do we assume parked or traveling under an overpass or in a tunnel?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I guess we could use ground-speed from the GPS - with a speed=0 for a prolonged time being interpreted as parked - but that is not ideal.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Have you managed to find 'vehicle speed' on the can bus? You just need some indication that the car is in 'drive' mode vs not driving. Speed, RPM, kWh usage, coolant pump, ignition status, gear selector, handbrake status, activity on the bus, etc - any one of such indicators would be fine. I am sure we can find something. If you can send us some textual logs of the vehicle driving vs parked vs charging, we may be able to find something (not necessarily something from the diagnostic tool you have, but something broadcast on the can bus periodically).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What is the baud rate of the can bus? If you can let me know that, I can quickly make you a proof-of-concept firmware that can read the soc and charging status (as well as the usual location, etc).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards, Mark.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 21 Feb, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Patrick Kapsch wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi guys,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I just wanted to give you a quick update on my reverse engineering on the Tazzari Zero CAN-Bus. I've put together the Y-Cable-Adapter to attach the service-console as well as the USB-Interface to the Bus (see picture attached). As my dealer needs to get back his tools I borrowed, I wasn't really able to dive deeply into the messages, but I found the SOC and a charge-status that indicates whether or not the car charges. I will hopefully be able to write down all values that are provided by next week. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">LevAhR<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This is the state of charge in percentage<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Request:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">0x78A<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>75 21 F9 EF<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Response:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">0x775<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0A A1 F9 EF 00 00 03 E8<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Value 100.0%<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">03 E8 represent 1000 = 100.0 % SOC<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Charge Status<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Values to determine whether the car charges or not.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Request:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">0x78A<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>75 21 F6 E0<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Response:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">0x775<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0A A1 F6 E0 00 00 00 63<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Value "reset" (not charging)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">0x775<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>0A A1 F6 E0 00 00 00 00<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Value "SUV" (charging)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Note: there are more than these two values while the charging comes to an end. I'll know them soon. But for now !=reset should do the job for charging true.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm still searching for a way to tell if the car is parked or not. As far as I know by now there is nothing on the Bus that indicates this. Is a GPS-Based determination generally possible? The OVMS would have to check the coordinates periodically and compare them. A charging process indicates a parked car as well, and could turn of the GPS comparison.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Patrick Kapsch<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><IMG_2236.jpg><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">OvmsDev mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev">http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OvmsDev mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev">http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev</a><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>OvmsDev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br><a href="http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev">http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>OvmsDev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br><a href="http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev">http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>OvmsDev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk">OvmsDev@lists.teslaclub.hk</a><br>http://lists.teslaclub.hk/mailman/listinfo/ovmsdev<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>