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Mark,<br>
<br>
I just read about the CAN bus using twisted pair cables like
ethernet for shielding.<br>
<br>
I don't know if the manufacturer will use twisted cables. I think 1m
length untwisted should be no problem, but maybe that should be
specified for the next batch, just to be on the safe side.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.12.2012 01:14, schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:C90CD21F-C788-4082-81A9-D68FBD00EF97@webb-johnson.net"
type="cite">Michael(s),
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We've just ordered 100 of these (gulp).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Should be done in about a week.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 5 Dec, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Michael Jochum wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Looks Good.</div>
<div>Right angle is ok.</div>
<div>Length is ok too.</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>Bye</div>
<div>Michael</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Von unterwegs gesendet</div>
<div><br>
Am 04.12.2012 um 06:06 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've found a manufacturer for the cable, that
seems quite good and professional. I haven't used
them before, but they come recommended. I also
tendered for this, and they were not the cheapest
response, but in the lowest 10%. Quality seems very
good, and they specialise in manufacturing
automotive cables so should know what they are
doing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Based on our specification:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote"
style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding:
0px;">
<div><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="border-collapse: collapse; color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: 'courier new',
courier; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">J1962-M
</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="border-collapse: collapse; color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: 'courier new',
courier; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">DB9-F </span></span><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);
font-family: 'courier new', courier; font-size:
16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">Signal</span></span></div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(102,
102, 102); font-family: helvetica;
line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">4
3 Chassis/Power GND</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(102,
102, 102); font-family: helvetica;
line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">6
7 CAN-H</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(102,
102, 102); font-family: helvetica;
line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">14
2 CAN-L</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(102,
102, 102); font-family: helvetica;
line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">16
9 +12V Vehicle Power</span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;
border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(102, 102,
102); line-height: 18px; "><font face="'courier
new', courier"><span style="font-size: 16px; "><br>
</span></font></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font
color="#666666" face="'courier new', courier"><span
style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size:
16px; line-height: 18px; ">J1962 end should
be MALE plug with right angle cable. DB9 end
should be FEMALE.</span></font></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font
color="#666666" face="'courier new', courier"><span
style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size:
16px; line-height: 18px; ">Both ends should
be enclosed in shells, and cable should be
1metre in length.</span></font></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The resulting build spec sheet is shown below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Sorry it is mostly in Chinese, but the most
important points are (a) the pinouts, (b) the 1m
length, (c) the use of a right-angled ODBII
connector, (d) the connectors types, (e) the
pinouts, and (f) did I mention the pinouts?</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Could you guys check this out, and confirm it
looks ok from your point of view? Something standard
that the Twizy, Volt/Ampera and other users could
get behind?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are going to have to pay upfront for at least
100 of these, so need to be certain it is correct.
Pricing is going to be around US$9 - US$10 per cable
(including worldwide shipping), which I think is
pretty good.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><PastedGraphic-4.png></div>
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<div>
<div>On 12 Nov, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson
wrote:</div>
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<div><br>
</div>
I've found a couple of manufacturers willing to
do this for a reasonable price (at a quantity of
perhaps 50 to 100 units).
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is the specification below ok? Any
problems?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Mark
Webb-Johnson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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</div>
OK, so I think the pinouts we require
are as per Michael B's diagram:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span><OVMS-OBD2-cable.png></span></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
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<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px
40px; border: none; padding: 0px; ">
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font
face="Andale Mono" size="5"><u>J1962-M</u><span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span><u>DB9-F</u><span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span><u>Signal</u></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font
face="Andale Mono" size="5">4<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>3<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>Chassis/Power
GND</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font
face="Andale Mono" size="5">6<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>7<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>CAN-H</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font
face="Andale Mono" size="5">14<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>2<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>CAN-L</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font
face="Andale Mono" size="5">16<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>9<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>+12V
Vehicle Power</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; ">A right angle J1962-M plug
and about 1metre cable should be ok.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; ">This one cable should
support both Twizy and Volt/Ampera,
and also any ODBII car with an ODBII
compliant CAN bus.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; ">Does that sound ok?</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; ">I'll ask around in China to
see if I can find someone to make
these up cheaply, and get them on
Fasttech.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; ">Regards, Mark.</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size:
12px; "><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 7:50 AM,
Michael Balzer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
text="#000000"> For the record: I
now have connected GND to both 4+5
on the OBD2 plug, works as well.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
10.11.2012 19:57, schrieb <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:mikeljo@me.com">mikeljo@me.com</a>:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4A194A9A-C4CE-4E0C-A7A1-C14D8213D745@me.com"
type="cite">
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content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>i use this pinout:</div>
<div>
<div class="page" title="Page
3">
<div class="section"
style="background-color:
rgb(255, 255, 255);
position: static; z-index:
auto; ">
<div class="layoutArea">
<div class="column">
<p><span
style="font-size:
7.000000pt;
font-family:
'Verdana';
font-weight: 700;
color:
rgb(20.000000%,
20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Primary
Data Link
Connector- (DLC)
X84 *Under drivers
side of IP </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:
7.000000pt;
font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%,
20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pin 1
is Low Speed GMLAN
(SWCAN ~33.3kbps)
- Body Electrical
Services Only Pin
2-3 Unused<br>
Pin 4 chassis
ground (for scan
tool)<br>
Pin 5 data
reference ground </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:
7.000000pt;
font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%,
20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pins
6(+) & 14 (-)
High Speed GMLAN-
Primary Powertrain
Bus (DWCAN ~500
kbps) Pins 7-11
Unused<br>
Pins 12(+) &
13(-) High Speed
GMLAN- Chassis
Expansion Bus
(DWCAN ~500 kbps)
Pin 15 Unused </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:
7.000000pt;
font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%,
20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pin
16 B+ (for scan
tool power)</span><span
style="color:
rgb(51, 51, 51);
font-family:
Verdana;
font-size: 7pt; "> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>OBDII<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>Sub-D<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>Signal</div>
<div>16<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>9<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>+12V</div>
<div>4<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>6+3<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>GND-Chassis</div>
<div>6<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>7<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>CAN_H</div>
<div>14<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>2<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre">
</span>CAN_L</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I connect 6 and 3 at
the Sub-D side together.</div>
<div>So it looks like we can
use the same Cable (for
the Primary Can Bus in the
Volt). >> Fasttech?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bye</div>
<div>Michael</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am 10.11.2012 um 06:47
schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:</div>
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<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">Yes,
chassis GND vs
signal GND, but
can is
differential, so
no GND needed for
the signal. We
only need GND for
12V power. For
vehicles, I think
chassis GND is ok.</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">I think
Volt bus we are
using is on the
same pins:</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.evtools.info/ChevyVoltOBD2CAN.html"
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);"><font>http://www.evtools.info/ChevyVoltOBD2CAN.html</font></a></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">Maybe 1
cable can do both?</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;
background-color:
rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">Regards,
Mark</span></div>
<br>
<span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;">On 10 Nov,
2012, at 12:18 PM,
Michael Balzer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
<br>
</div>
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style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; ">
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content="text/html;
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Mark,<br>
<br>
yes, that's chassis
ground -- shouldn't it
be? I interpreted the
OVMS GND as the ground
for the supply voltage
(12V), as the CAN bus
has its dedicated
"low" line.<br>
<br>
I just looked up some
OBD2 sites: 4+5
normally are the same.
One page says an OBD2
cable should have
identical potential on
4 and 5 to ensure
proper function.
Another OBD2 cable I
bought connects them,
so maybe for a general
product GND should
connect both, but I
don't think there's a
difference on the car
side... normally.<br>
<br>
But I've also seen
some info on non
standard OBD2 plugs,
also for some GM and
Opel cars, having
other signals where
the CAN bus should be,
so I'm also interested
in your pinout,
Michael J.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div
class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
10.11.2012 04:23,
schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:D5417B8E-2C87-4ECA-93CC-867D34BD6164@webb-johnson.net"
type="cite">
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http-equiv="content-type"
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<div>Michael,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One question:
you have GND on
pin #4 (odb). I
have that shown as
chassis ground,
not signal ground.
Is that correct?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michael J: is
that the same
connector and pins
as you are using
for the Volt?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark<br>
<br>
On 10 Nov, 2012,
at 2:16 AM,
Michael Balzer
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
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content="text/html;
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Mark,<br>
<br>
great to hear
about user
activity :-)<br>
<br>
1) I just
created an OVMS
to OBD2 cable
image and
checked it in:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a">https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a</a><br>
As OBD2 is
standard incl.
CAN pinout, this
should be valid
for any OBD2
port, so could
be added to the
FastTech OVMS
product line.
It's not a
standard cable,
or at least none
I know of.<br>
<br>
2) No known way
up to now. I
also think the
Twizy would not
respond to the
port, as the
whole CAN bus is
quiet when the
car is off and
not charging.
Plus, because
the charger
draws some 30-35
W for many hours
after charging
has completed,
many drivers use
auto-power-off
sockets.<br>
<br>
3) I'll forward
your
specification to
the german Twizy
forum.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div
class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
09.11.2012
15:23, schrieb
Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:EE90302A-61CF-4387-A310-48BE6A32ABC4@webb-johnson.net"
type="cite">
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</div>
<div>Twizy
support seems
to be coming
along nicely,
thanks to the
amazing work
Michael is
doing. Some
good
functionality
there already.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm
starting to
see some Twizy
users register
on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openvehicles.com/">openvehicles.com</a>. Perhaps the word
is getting
out?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some
questions /
requests:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol
class="MailOutline">
<li>Michael:
Can you let me
have the
details on the
cable pinouts
and parts you
are using at
the moment? Is
it a standard
cable, or are
you having to
make something
up?<br>
<br>
</li>
<li>How is
charge control
on the Twizy
done? Is there
any way of
stopping or
starting
(topup) a
charge from
within the
car, or is it
just
controlled by
plugging? Any
chance of can
bus control of
this?<br>
<br>
</li>
<li>Can anyone
help with the
car images for
the Twizy?
There are lots
of nice images
available, but
they need to
be
photoshopped
to the right
dimensions and
transparent
background
png.</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,
Mark.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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