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Looks correct.<br>
<br>
1 m length should make placing the module in the right (lockable)
glove box possible, so that's OK too.<br>
<br>
I had to pay € 10 = ~ US$ 13 for the OBD2 plug alone, so the pricing
will be fine.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.12.2012 06:06, schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
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type="cite">
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<div>I've found a manufacturer for the cable, that seems quite
good and professional. I haven't used them before, but they come
recommended. I also tendered for this, and they were not the
cheapest response, but in the lowest 10%. Quality seems very
good, and they specialise in manufacturing automotive cables so
should know what they are doing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Based on our specification:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0
40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: 'courier
new', courier; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">J1962-M </span></span><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;
color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: 'courier new',
courier; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">DB9-F </span></span><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;
color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: 'courier new',
courier; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; "><span
style="text-decoration: underline; ">Signal</span></span></div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family:
helvetica; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">4 3
Chassis/Power GND</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family:
helvetica; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">6 7
CAN-H</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family:
helvetica; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">14 2
CAN-L</span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse:
collapse; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family:
helvetica; line-height: 18px; "><span style="font-family:
'courier new', courier; font-size: 16px; ">16 9
+12V Vehicle Power</span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom:
0px; margin-left: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 18px; "><font
face="'courier new', courier"><span style="font-size:
16px; "><br>
</span></font></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom:
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#666666"
face="'courier new', courier"><span
style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 16px;
line-height: 18px; ">J1962 end should be MALE plug with
right angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.</span></font></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom:
0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font color="#666666"
face="'courier new', courier"><span
style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 16px;
line-height: 18px; ">Both ends should be enclosed in
shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.</span></font></div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>The resulting build spec sheet is shown below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Sorry it is mostly in Chinese, but the most important
points are (a) the pinouts, (b) the 1m length, (c) the use of
a right-angled ODBII connector, (d) the connectors types, (e)
the pinouts, and (f) did I mention the pinouts?</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Could you guys check this out, and confirm it looks ok from
your point of view? Something standard that the Twizy,
Volt/Ampera and other users could get behind?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are going to have to pay upfront for at least 100 of
these, so need to be certain it is correct. Pricing is going to
be around US$9 - US$10 per cable (including worldwide shipping),
which I think is pretty good.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes"
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<div>On 12 Nov, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson wrote:</div>
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I've found a couple of manufacturers willing to do this for
a reasonable price (at a quantity of perhaps 50 to 100
units).
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is the specification below ok? Any problems?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <<a
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OK, so I think the pinouts we require are as per
Michael B's diagram:
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<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border:
none; padding: 0px; ">
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale
Mono" size="5"><u>J1962-M</u><span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span><u>DB9-F</u><span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span><u>Signal</u></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale
Mono" size="5">4<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>3<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span>Chassis/Power GND</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale
Mono" size="5">6<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>7<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span>CAN-H</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale
Mono" size="5">14<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>2<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span>CAN-L</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale
Mono" size="5">16<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space: pre; "> </span>9<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:
pre; "> </span>+12V Vehicle Power</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">A
right angle J1962-M plug and about 1metre cable
should be ok.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">This
one cable should support both Twizy and
Volt/Ampera, and also any ODBII car with an
ODBII compliant CAN bus.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Does
that sound ok?</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">I'll
ask around in China to see if I can find someone
to make these up cheaply, and get them on
Fasttech.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Regards,
Mark.</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br>
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<div>
<div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Michael Balzer
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> For the
record: I now have connected GND to both 4+5
on the OBD2 plug, works as well.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.11.2012
19:57, schrieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:mikeljo@me.com">mikeljo@me.com</a>:<br>
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cite="mid:4A194A9A-C4CE-4E0C-A7A1-C14D8213D745@me.com"
type="cite">
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Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>i use this pinout:</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:
7.000000pt; font-family:
'Verdana'; font-weight: 700;
color: rgb(20.000000%,
20.000000%, 20.000000%)">Primary
Data Link Connector- (DLC) X84
*Under drivers side of IP </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:
7.000000pt; font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pin 1 is Low
Speed GMLAN (SWCAN ~33.3kbps)
- Body Electrical Services
Only Pin 2-3 Unused<br>
Pin 4 chassis ground (for scan
tool)<br>
Pin 5 data reference ground </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:
7.000000pt; font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pins 6(+) &
14 (-) High Speed GMLAN-
Primary Powertrain Bus (DWCAN
~500 kbps) Pins 7-11 Unused<br>
Pins 12(+) & 13(-) High
Speed GMLAN- Chassis Expansion
Bus (DWCAN ~500 kbps) Pin 15
Unused </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:
7.000000pt; font-family:
'Verdana'; color:
rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
20.000000%)">Pin 16 B+ (for
scan tool power)</span><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 7pt; "> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>OBDII<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sub-D<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>Signal</div>
<div>16<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>9<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>+12V</div>
<div>4<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>6+3<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>GND-Chassis</div>
<div>6<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>7<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>CAN_H</div>
<div>14<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>2<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>CAN_L</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I connect 6 and 3 at the Sub-D side
together.</div>
<div>So it looks like we can use the
same Cable (for the Primary Can Bus in
the Volt). >> Fasttech?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bye</div>
<div>Michael</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am 10.11.2012 um 06:47 schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson <<a
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href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:</div>
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<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Yes,
chassis GND vs signal GND, but
can is differential, so no GND
needed for the signal. We only
need GND for 12V power. For
vehicles, I think chassis GND
is ok.</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I
think Volt bus we are using is
on the same pins:</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.evtools.info/ChevyVoltOBD2CAN.html"
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font>http://www.evtools.info/ChevyVoltOBD2CAN.html</font></a></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Maybe
1 cable can do both?</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,
Mark</span></div>
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<span
style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;">On 10 Nov, 2012, at 12:18
PM, Michael Balzer <<a
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href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
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Mark,<br>
<br>
yes, that's chassis ground --
shouldn't it be? I interpreted the
OVMS GND as the ground for the
supply voltage (12V), as the CAN
bus has its dedicated "low" line.<br>
<br>
I just looked up some OBD2 sites:
4+5 normally are the same. One
page says an OBD2 cable should
have identical potential on 4 and
5 to ensure proper function.
Another OBD2 cable I bought
connects them, so maybe for a
general product GND should connect
both, but I don't think there's a
difference on the car side...
normally.<br>
<br>
But I've also seen some info on
non standard OBD2 plugs, also for
some GM and Opel cars, having
other signals where the CAN bus
should be, so I'm also interested
in your pinout, Michael J.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
10.11.2012 04:23, schrieb Mark
Webb-Johnson:<br>
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<div>Michael,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One question: you have GND
on pin #4 (odb). I have that
shown as chassis ground, not
signal ground. Is that
correct?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michael J: is that the same
connector and pins as you are
using for the Volt?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark<br>
<br>
On 10 Nov, 2012, at 2:16 AM,
Michael Balzer <<a
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href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
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Mark,<br>
<br>
great to hear about user
activity :-)<br>
<br>
1) I just created an OVMS to
OBD2 cable image and checked
it in:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a">https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a</a><br>
As OBD2 is standard incl.
CAN pinout, this should be
valid for any OBD2 port, so
could be added to the
FastTech OVMS product line.
It's not a standard cable,
or at least none I know of.<br>
<br>
2) No known way up to now. I
also think the Twizy would
not respond to the port, as
the whole CAN bus is quiet
when the car is off and not
charging. Plus, because the
charger draws some 30-35 W
for many hours after
charging has completed, many
drivers use auto-power-off
sockets.<br>
<br>
3) I'll forward your
specification to the german
Twizy forum.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
09.11.2012 15:23, schrieb
Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
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<div>Twizy support seems
to be coming along
nicely, thanks to the
amazing work Michael is
doing. Some good
functionality there
already.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm starting to see
some Twizy users
register on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openvehicles.com/">openvehicles.com</a>. Perhaps the word
is getting out?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some questions /
requests:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<ol class="MailOutline">
<li>Michael: Can you
let me have the
details on the cable
pinouts and parts
you are using at the
moment? Is it a
standard cable, or
are you having to
make something up?<br>
<br>
</li>
<li>How is charge
control on the Twizy
done? Is there any
way of stopping or
starting (topup) a
charge from within
the car, or is it
just controlled by
plugging? Any chance
of can bus control
of this?<br>
<br>
</li>
<li>Can anyone help
with the car images
for the Twizy? There
are lots of nice
images available,
but they need to be
photoshopped to the
right dimensions and
transparent
background png.</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Mark.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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