<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>I've found a couple of manufacturers willing to do this for a reasonable price (at a quantity of perhaps 50 to 100 units).<div><br></div><div>Is the specification below ok? Any problems?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Mark.</div><div><br><div><div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Mark Webb-Johnson <<a href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>OK, so I think the pinouts we require are as per Michael B's diagram:<div><br></div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><img alt="OVMS-OBD2-cable.png" id="e52c5d2b-affd-4a4c-8ffb-486ce05b0ea5" height="240" width="289" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" style="font-size: 12px; " src="cid:94CDF546-6A2C-453D-B2FB-B6CEC78F0950"></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px; "><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale Mono" size="5"><u>J1962-M</u><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">         </span><u>DB9-F</u><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">         </span><u>Signal</u></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale Mono" size="5">4<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">               </span>3<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">                </span>Chassis/Power GND</font></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale Mono" size="5">6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">               </span>7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">                </span>CAN-H</font></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale Mono" size="5">14<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">          </span>2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">                </span>CAN-L</font></div><div style="margin: 0px; "><font face="Andale Mono" size="5">16<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">          </span>9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">                </span>+12V Vehicle Power</font></div></blockquote><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">A right angle J1962-M plug and about 1metre cable should be ok.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">This one cable should support both Twizy and Volt/Ampera, and also any ODBII car with an ODBII compliant CAN bus.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Does that sound ok?</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">I'll ask around in China to see if I can find someone to make these up cheaply, and get them on Fasttech.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; ">Regards, Mark.</div></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div><div>On 11 Nov, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Michael Balzer <<a href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    For the record: I now have connected GND to both 4+5 on the OBD2
    plug, works as well.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Michael<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.11.2012 19:57, schrieb
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mikeljo@me.com">mikeljo@me.com</a>:<br>
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      Hi,
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      <div>i use this pinout:</div>
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                    'Verdana'; font-weight: 700; color: rgb(20.000000%,
                    20.000000%, 20.000000%)">Primary Data Link
                    Connector- (DLC) X84 *Under drivers side of IP
                  </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 7.000000pt; font-family:
                    'Verdana'; color: rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
                    20.000000%)">Pin 1 is Low Speed GMLAN (SWCAN
                    ~33.3kbps) - Body Electrical Services Only
                    Pin 2-3 Unused<br>
                    Pin 4 chassis ground (for scan tool)<br>
                    Pin 5 data reference ground
                  </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 7.000000pt; font-family:
                    'Verdana'; color: rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
                    20.000000%)">Pins 6(+) & 14 (-) High Speed
                    GMLAN- Primary Powertrain Bus (DWCAN ~500 kbps)
                    Pins 7-11 Unused<br>
                    Pins 12(+) & 13(-) High Speed GMLAN- Chassis
                    Expansion Bus (DWCAN ~500 kbps)
                    Pin 15 Unused
                  </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 7.000000pt; font-family:
                    'Verdana'; color: rgb(20.000000%, 20.000000%,
                    20.000000%)">Pin 16 B+ (for scan tool power)</span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana;
                    font-size: 7pt; "> </span></p>
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          <div>OBDII<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">
            </span>Sub-D<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Signal</div>
          <div>16<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>+12V</div>
          <div>4<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6+3<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>GND-Chassis</div>
          <div>6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>CAN_H</div>
          <div>14<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>CAN_L</div>
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          <div>I connect 6 and 3 at the Sub-D side together.</div>
          <div>So it looks like we can use the same Cable (for the
            Primary Can Bus in the Volt). >> Fasttech?</div>
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          <div>Bye</div>
          <div>Michael</div>
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          <div>Am 10.11.2012 um 06:47 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark@webb-johnson.net">mark@webb-johnson.net</a>>:</div>
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                <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                    background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Yes,
                    chassis GND vs signal GND, but can is differential,
                    so no GND needed for the signal. We only need GND
                    for 12V power. For vehicles, I think chassis GND is
                    ok.</span></div>
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                <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                    background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I think
                    Volt bus we are using is on the same pins:</span></div>
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                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.evtools.info/ChevyVoltOBD2CAN.html" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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                <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                    background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Maybe 1
                    cable can do both?</span></div>
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                <div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                    background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,
                    Mark</span></div>
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                <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On 10 Nov,
                  2012, at 12:18 PM, Michael Balzer <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>
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                Mark,<br>
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                yes, that's chassis ground -- shouldn't it be? I
                interpreted the OVMS GND as the ground for the supply
                voltage (12V), as the CAN bus has its dedicated "low"
                line.<br>
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                I just looked up some OBD2 sites: 4+5 normally are the
                same. One page says an OBD2 cable should have identical
                potential on 4 and 5 to ensure proper function. Another
                OBD2 cable I bought connects them, so maybe for a
                general product GND should connect both, but I don't
                think there's a difference on the car side... normally.<br>
                <br>
                But I've also seen some info on non standard OBD2 plugs,
                also for some GM and Opel cars, having other signals
                where the CAN bus should be, so I'm also interested in
                your pinout, Michael J.<br>
                <br>
                Regards,<br>
                Michael<br>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.11.2012 04:23,
                  schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                  <div>One question: you have GND on pin #4 (odb). I
                    have that shown as chassis ground, not signal
                    ground. Is that correct?</div>
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                  <div>Michael J: is that the same connector and pins as
                    you are using for the Volt?</div>
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                  <div>Regards, Mark<br>
                    <br>
                    On 10 Nov, 2012, at 2:16 AM, Michael Balzer <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dexter@expeedo.de">dexter@expeedo.de</a>>

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                      Mark,<br>
                      <br>
                      great to hear about user activity :-)<br>
                      <br>
                      1) I just created an OVMS to OBD2 cable image and
                      checked it in:<br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a">https://github.com/dexterbg/Open-Vehicle-Monitoring-System/commit/a7c3a3e8f12d7759b896bb75c8e570ebc10ec11a</a><br>
                      As OBD2 is standard incl. CAN pinout, this should
                      be valid for any OBD2 port, so could be added to
                      the FastTech OVMS product line. It's not a
                      standard cable, or at least none I know of.<br>
                      <br>
                      2) No known way up to now. I also think the Twizy
                      would not respond to the port, as the whole CAN
                      bus is quiet when the car is off and not charging.
                      Plus, because the charger draws some 30-35 W for
                      many hours after charging has completed, many
                      drivers use auto-power-off sockets.<br>
                      <br>
                      3) I'll forward your specification to the german
                      Twizy forum.<br>
                      <br>
                      Regards,<br>
                      Michael<br>
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                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.11.2012 15:23,
                        schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:<br>
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                        <div>Twizy support seems to be coming along
                          nicely, thanks to the amazing work Michael is
                          doing. Some good functionality there already.</div>
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                        <div>I'm starting to see some Twizy users
                          register on <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openvehicles.com/">openvehicles.com</a>.
                          Perhaps the word is getting out?</div>
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                        <div>Some questions / requests:</div>
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                            <li>Michael: Can you let me have the details
                              on the cable pinouts and parts you are
                              using at the moment? Is it a standard
                              cable, or are you having to make something
                              up?<br>
                              <br>
                            </li>
                            <li>How is charge control on the Twizy done?
                              Is there any way of stopping or starting
                              (topup) a charge from within the car, or
                              is it just controlled by plugging? Any
                              chance of can bus control of this?<br>
                              <br>
                            </li>
                            <li>Can anyone help with the car images for
                              the Twizy? There are lots of nice images
                              available, but they need to be
                              photoshopped to the right dimensions and
                              transparent background png.</li>
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                        <div>Regards, Mark.</div>
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