[Ovmsdev] 3G / 2G fallback on SIM5360 Europe?

Chris van der Meijden chris at arachnon.de
Sat Aug 15 15:47:13 HKT 2020


Hi all
just to "close the case".
My Fakra/SMA adapter cable was faulty. 
An other adapter in an other car seems to work well with the VW antenna
and I use a seperate antenna now without any worries.
Regards
Chris

Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 10:47 +0200 schrieb Chris van der Meijden:
> :-))
> 
> 
> Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 16:33 +0800 schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
> > Maybe VW lying about antenna performance? Wouldn’t be the first
> > time:
> >  🤣
> > Mark
> > > On 5 Aug 2020, at 4:08 PM, Chris van der Meijden <chris at arachnon.
> > > de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     
> > >   
> > >   Hi Michael,
> > > the antenna seems not to be active according to the wiring
> > > diagram and some forum posts I found.
> > > I double checked the connection of GPS and GSM. Seems to OK ...
> > > Greetinx
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 08:01 +0200 schrieb Michael Balzer:
> > > >     Chris,
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     two additional thoughts:
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     - maybe the VW antenna contains a GSM and a GPS antenna
> > > > (?), and you
> > > >     connected the wrong one?
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     - maybe the VW antenna is an active one and needs a supply
> > > > voltage
> > > >     which is currently missing?
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     Regards,
> > > > 
> > > >     Michael
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     Am 05.08.20 um 07:24 schrieb Mark
> > > >       Webb-Johnson:
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > > >       
> > > > >       Maybe,
> > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > >       
> > > > >       Or the VW antenna is way off on specification.
> > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > >       
> > > > >       Regards, Mark.
> > > > > 
> > > > >         
> > > > > 
> > > > >           
> > > > > >             On 5 Aug 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris van der
> > > > > >               Meijden <chris at arachnon.de> wrote:
> > > > > >             
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >             
> > > > > >               
> > > > > >               
> > > > > >                 Thank you for your response.
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > >                 That leaves me with a poor home made SMA
> > > > > >                   to Fakra adapter cable, I guess ...
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > >                 Regards
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > >                 Chris
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > >                 Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2020, 09:27 +0800
> > > > > >                   schrieb Mark Webb-Johnson:
> > > > > >                 
> > > > > > > The antenna surely
> > > > > > >                   helps, but in some locations you can
> > > > > > > receive a signal
> > > > > > >                   with a piece of wet string resting on
> > > > > > > the antenna
> > > > > > >                   connection. Seriously. At my office
> > > > > > > desktop, I still
> > > > > > >                   get 3G without an antenna connected
> > > > > > > (but I don’t
> > > > > > >                   recommend it due to possible feedback
> > > > > > > in the modem
> > > > > > >                   module).
> > > > > > >                   
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                   
> > > > > > >                   These are not binary on/off situations.
> > > > > > >                     An antenna rated to 1710-1990 will
> > > > > > > still work at
> > > > > > >                     1991, or even 2100, but just not
> > > > > > > optimally with the
> > > > > > >                     best reception or transmission.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                     
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                     
> > > > > > >                     The original Fasttech antennas were
> > > > > > >                       designed for 2G (OVMS v2), but
> > > > > > > should still cover
> > > > > > >                       some 3G ranges optimally. The newer
> > > > > > > ones (from
> > > > > > >                       Medlock in USA and
> > > > > > > OpenEnergyMonitor in UK) should
> > > > > > >                       cover all ranges (up to and
> > > > > > > including 4G LTE) -
> > > > > > >                       and we used these for radio
> > > > > > > certification so have
> > > > > > >                       been very thoroughly tested at all
> > > > > > > the supported
> > > > > > >                       2G and 3G frequency ranges.
> > > > > > >                     
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                     
> > > > > > >                     Regards, Mark.
> > > > > > >                     
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                       
> > > > > > > >                         On 5 Aug 2020, at 12:21 AM,
> > > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > > >                           van der Meijden <chris at arachn
> > > > > > > > on.de>
> > > > > > > >                           wrote:
> > > > > > > >                         
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                         
> > > > > > > >                           
> > > > > > > >                           
> > > > > > > >                             Still digging on the
> > > > > > > > subject
> > > > > > > >                               ...
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Today I took my original
> > > > > > > >                               Fasttech OVMS v2 antenna
> > > > > > > > out of my Nissan
> > > > > > > >                               Leaf and connected it to
> > > > > > > > the OVMS v3 in
> > > > > > > >                               our VW e-Up. And
> > > > > > > > surprise, surprise I got
> > > > > > > >                               direct connection over
> > > > > > > > the SIM to the
> > > > > > > >                               network.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             The VW antenna gives me
> > > > > > > > -101
> > > > > > > >                               dBm, the Fasttech antenna
> > > > > > > > gives me -91
> > > > > > > >                               dBm.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             So I took a look at the
> > > > > > > >                               frequencies ...
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             The old fasttech antenna
> > > > > > > > has a
> > > > > > > >                               frequency range of 824-
> > > > > > > > 960 / 1710-1990.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             o2 (my SIM card provider)
> > > > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > >                               GSM 900 and GSM+LTE 1800
> > > > > > > > for 2g (4g LTE
> > > > > > > >                               cannot be used on the
> > > > > > > > SIM5360) and uses
> > > > > > > >                               UMTS 2100 for 3g.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Now I have two theories on
> > > > > > > >                               what make things go wrong
> > > > > > > > with the VW
> > > > > > > >                               antenna, but work with
> > > > > > > > the fasttech
> > > > > > > >                               antenna:
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             1. My home made sma / fakra
> > > > > > > >                               adapter cable to the VW
> > > > > > > > antenna is bad
> > > > > > > >                               (could be, but in the
> > > > > > > > city it connects)
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             2. Because 3g on 2100 mHz
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >                               not available through the
> > > > > > > > fasttech
> > > > > > > >                               antenna, OVMS v3 is
> > > > > > > > forced to 2g and
> > > > > > > >                               everything runs fine.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Any corrections on the
> > > > > > > > second
> > > > > > > >                               theory are welcome. I'm
> > > > > > > > guessing ...
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             I will buy an other sma
> > > > > > > > 2g/3g
> > > > > > > >                               antenna just to get rid
> > > > > > > > of the problem,
> > > > > > > >                               but will also continue
> > > > > > > > thinking on this
> > > > > > > >                               one.
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Greetinx
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Chris
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > >                             Am Montag, den 03.08.2020,
> > > > > > > >                               12:31 +0200 schrieb Chris
> > > > > > > > van der Meijden:
> > > > > > > >                             
> > > > > > > > >                               Hi Michael
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               yeah, economical
> > > > > > > > > visionaries
> > > > > > > > >                                 are always a lot of
> > > > > > > > > fun :-))
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               I read that "GSM voices
> > > > > > > > >                                 services" line too
> > > > > > > > > and checked on that
> > > > > > > > >                                 with my mobile phone.
> > > > > > > > > I restricted the
> > > > > > > > >                                 connection of the
> > > > > > > > > phone with
> > > > > > > > >                                 *#*#4636#*#* to "GSM
> > > > > > > > > auto (PRL)" and it
> > > > > > > > >                                 connects to EDGE. So
> > > > > > > > > data over GSM is
> > > > > > > > >                                 available ...
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               Still mysterious. Will
> > > > > > > > > dig
> > > > > > > > >                                 some more ...
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               Greetinx
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               Chris
> > > > > > > > >                                
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > >                               Am Montag, den
> > > > > > > > > 03.08.2020,
> > > > > > > > >                                 12:21 +0200 schrieb
> > > > > > > > > Michael Balzer:
> > > > > > > > >                               
> > > > > > > > > >  Chris,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 we don't tell the
> > > > > > > > > > modem to restrict
> > > > > > > > > >                                 itself in any way.
> > > > > > > > > > Bugs in the modem
> > > > > > > > > >                                 firmware are
> > > > > > > > > > likely, but I think a
> > > > > > > > > >                                 serious bug like
> > > > > > > > > > this would have been
> > > > > > > > > >                                 solved early.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 I've read the pilot
> > > > > > > > > > description now, and
> > > > > > > > > >                                 you need to pay
> > > > > > > > > > attention to this
> > > > > > > > > >                                 section:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > > statt
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   der üblichen
> > > > > > > > > > > drei Dienste LTE, UMTS
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   und GSM kommen
> > > > > > > > > > > in Kirchfarrnbach "nur"
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   LTE 800 und LTE
> > > > > > > > > > > 900 für die
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Datenversorgung
> > > > > > > > > > > sowie GSM für
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Sprachdienste
> > > > > > > > > > > und SMS zum Einsatz. Auf
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   UMTS haben die
> > > > > > > > > > > Funknetzplaner hier
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   verzichtet,
> > > > > > > > > > > weil bereits LTE und GSM
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   alle
> > > > > > > > > > > Anforderungen der Bevölkerung
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   erfüllen.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 …translated…
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > > Instead
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   of the usual
> > > > > > > > > > > three services LTE, UMTS
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   and GSM, "only"
> > > > > > > > > > > LTE 800 and LTE 900
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   are used in
> > > > > > > > > > > Kirchfarrnbach for data
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   supply as well
> > > > > > > > > > > as GSM for voice
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   services and
> > > > > > > > > > > SMS. The radio network
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   planners have
> > > > > > > > > > > dispensed with UMTS here
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   because LTE and
> > > > > > > > > > > GSM already meet all
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   the
> > > > > > > > > > > requirements of the population.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 So you have neither
> > > > > > > > > > UMTS nor EDGE. GSM
> > > > > > > > > >                                 is only available
> > > > > > > > > > for voice streams and
> > > > > > > > > >                                 SMS. Data is only
> > > > > > > > > > available via LTE.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 Your only option is
> > > > > > > > > > to tell them they're
> > > > > > > > > >                                 a bunch of …
> > > > > > > > > > outstanding economical
> > > > > > > > > >                                 visionaries, who
> > > > > > > > > > could possibly consider
> > > > > > > > > >                                 rethinking their
> > > > > > > > > > IoT compatibility ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 Michael
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 Am 03.08.20
> > > > > > > > > >                                   um 11:33 schrieb
> > > > > > > > > > Chris van der
> > > > > > > > > >                                   Meijden:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > >                                 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   I did some more
> > > > > > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     on the
> > > > > > > > > > > SIM5360 and also digged a bit
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     through the
> > > > > > > > > > > simcom source. Found
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     loads of AT-
> > > > > > > > > > > commands there :-)
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   I could not
> > > > > > > > > > > find an AT
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     command to
> > > > > > > > > > > restrict the selection to
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     2g. Perhaps I
> > > > > > > > > > > did not look deep
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     enough, but
> > > > > > > > > > > if someone knows the
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     command ...
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   I'm still
> > > > > > > > > > > thinking why
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     the automatic
> > > > > > > > > > > fallback to 2g does
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     not happen. 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - The
> > > > > > > > > > > transmitter offers
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     only 2g (GSM
> > > > > > > > > > > 900 mHz) and LTE (800
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     or 1800). No
> > > > > > > > > > > 3g.
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - I have a
> > > > > > > > > > > signal
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     strength of
> > > > > > > > > > > -110 to -100 dBm
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - AT+COPS?
> > > > > > > > > > > gives me an
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     empty
> > > > > > > > > > > response.
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Could it be
> > > > > > > > > > > possible,
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     that
> > > > > > > > > > > somewhere in the code something
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     like
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - I don't have
> > > > > > > > > > > 3g
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - I do have LTE
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - Lets try LTE
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - I see LTE
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - I have no
> > > > > > > > > > > hardware for
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     LTE
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   - OK, don't do
> > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   happens? So
> > > > > > > > > > > somehow
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     fallback to
> > > > > > > > > > > 2g never happens?
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Just guessing
> > > > > > > > > > > around ...
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Regards
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Chris
> > > > > > > > > > >                                    
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   Am Montag, den
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     03.08.2020,
> > > > > > > > > > > 10:10 +0800 schrieb Mark
> > > > > > > > > > >                                     Webb-Johnson:
> > > > > > > > > > >                                   
> > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     SIM5360E
> > > > > > > > > > > > should auto-switch between
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     2G and 3G.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It supports the following
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     frequency
> > > > > > > > > > > > bands:
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       GSM/GPRS/
> > > > > > > > > > > > EDGE
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                           850/9
> > > > > > > > > > > > 00/1800/1900MHz;
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       UMTS/HSPA
> > > > > > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                           900/2
> > > > > > > > > > > > 100MHz
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     There are
> > > > > > > > > > > > SIMCOM
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       options/c
> > > > > > > > > > > > ommands to restrict the
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       selection
> > > > > > > > > > > > , but the default is
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       automatic
> > > > > > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                     
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                       
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                         
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                           On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Aug 2020,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                             a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > t 6:40 PM, Chris van der
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                             M
> > > > > > > > > > > > > eijden <chris at arachnon.de>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                             w
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                           
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                             
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                             
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Hey Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Thanx for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    the help :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  The AT
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    commands are working
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    now, but as expected no
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    connection at all. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    also no fallback to 2g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    Or no GPRS offered on 2g
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Here some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    (German) information on
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    the "site lite"
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    transmitters:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  https://www.telekom.com/de/blog/netz/artikel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /standort-light-pilotprojekt-552152
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I also did
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    not find any AT command
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    for the SIM5360 to force
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    2g. I will play a bit
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    around with the modem in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    the next days. Will also
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    try congstar, I do have
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    a congstar SIM laying
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    around here ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Greetinx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Chris
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Am Sonntag,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    den 02.08.2020, 10:59
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    +0200 schrieb Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >    Balzer:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                                              
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Chris,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      how to send modem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      commands and read the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      responses:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      OVMS# log
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        level debug simcom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Logging
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        level for simcom set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        to debug
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      OVMS#
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        simcom cmd AT+COPS?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      SIMCOM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        command has been sent.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164488782) simcom: tx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        mcmd ch=4 len=10  :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        AT+COPS?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164488792) simcom: rx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        line ch=4 len=23  :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        +COPS:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        0,0,"congstar",2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164488802) simcom: rx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        line ch=4 len=2   : OK
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Now let's see if we have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      3G:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      OVMS#
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        simcom cmd AT+CPSI?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      SIMCOM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        command has been sent.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164693462) simcom: tx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        mcmd ch=4 len=10  :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        AT+CPSI?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164693482) simcom: rx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        line ch=4 len=85  :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        +CPSI:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        WCDMA,Online,262-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 01,0x16C3,7824927,WCDMA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        IMT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        2000,454,10836,0,7.5,104,18,8,500
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        (164693482) simcom: rx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        line ch=4 len=2   : OK
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Yes. Well, no surprise,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Telekom network :-).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      The SIM5360 is supposed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      to automatically fall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      back to 2G if 3G isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      available. On a quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      browse through the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      manual, I didn't find a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      command to force 2G,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      just one to lock to a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      specific 2G cell… you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      could do that depending
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      on your location, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      maybe you should first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      inspect your modem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      status now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      Am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        02.08.20 um 09:39
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        schrieb Chris van der
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >        Meijden:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                            
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          Hi all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            trying to understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            some principals of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            the SIM connection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            methods of OVMS.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          Reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            is that I recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            moved from "the big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            city" Munich to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            very much rural
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            village Thalham. In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            Thalham we have so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            called "lite" mobile
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            transmitters. These
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            transmitters are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            installed, as far as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            I understood, to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            safe money and to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            prepare the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            transition of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            providers to 4g /
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            5g. They are forcing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            the frequencies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            towards the 4g band
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            with those.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          So these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            transmitters seem to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            offer only 2g and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            4g, but no more 3g
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            (really ???).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          I don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            have any network
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            connection with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            SIM in my OVMS here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            in Thalham. In the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            next village Zolling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            I have connection.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            In Zolling they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            don't have the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            "lite" transmitters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            but still have full
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            3g support. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            antenna of my OVMS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            is working well
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            (-100 dBm to -70
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            dBm).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          Now my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            questions ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          Does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            OVMS have a fallback
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            on SIM5360 Europe to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            2g (EDGE) if 3g is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            not available?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          I also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            did some reading in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            the modem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            documentation and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            tried to send some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            AT commands. Goal is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            to try to force the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            SIM into 2g mode. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            tried i.e.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          simcom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            muxtx 2 AT+COPS?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          to get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            some information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            from the SIM, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            don't get an answer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            on that command at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            all. No matter what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            channel I try. Am I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            missing something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >            there?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          Thanx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >          
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                                          
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