[Ovmsdev] Special cable for Kia Soul EV for OVMS V3.
Mark Webb-Johnson
mark at webb-johnson.net
Fri Jun 15 08:06:18 HKT 2018
I’ve got this question raised as a ‘support’ ticket:
https://www.openvehicles.com/node/2045 <https://www.openvehicles.com/node/2045>
Hi,
in some forums is a discussion which cable is needed for the Kia Soul EV?
There should be a difference between OBD-C to DB9 and OBD-M to DB9.
I hope you can tell us whcih one is the right one.
Thx!
Chriss
Looking at the current code for kia soul, it seems that both the M and C buses are used, so a custom cable is definitely required? Is this the correct pinout:
Pinout KS
J1962-M DB9-F Signal
4 3 Chassis/Power GND
6 7 CAN-H (primary CAN)
14 2 CAN-L (primary CAN)
1 5 CAN-H (alternate CAN)
9 4 CAN-L (alternate CAN)
16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
J1962 end should be MALE plug with angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.
Both ends should be enclosed in shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.
J1962 end should be “LEFT” style:
Is that correct? Shall I go ahead and order these?
Regards, Mark.
> On 16 Jan 2018, at 9:09 PM, Jason Perkins <perkins.jason at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On the Fiat the OBD connector is "upside down" and faces forward, I've not investigated turning it over. A cable opposite the one pictured above, with a left edit, would be better. The cable would go to the middle of the cabin and be tied up behind the trim.
>
> Image borrowed from the forums:
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> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Geir Øyvind Vælidalo <geir at validalo.net <mailto:geir at validalo.net>> wrote:
> The pinout is correct. The right or left is a though question as I don’t know what people prefer, however the obd2 can easily be turned on the Soul. What about the Fiat, Jason?
>
> Geir
>
> Sendt fra min iPhone
>
> 16. jan. 2018 kl. 05:06 skrev Mark Webb-Johnson <mark at webb-johnson.net <mailto:mark at webb-johnson.net>>:
>
>> I’ve been dealing with the same custom cable provider since 2012. He’s very flexible, fast, and very reliable (especially for OBDII style cables). He delivers direct to Fasttech, and we don’t even bother with QC any more - he has been 100% perfect for the past five years. All we do is a visual inspection and stock count on receipt. MOQ (50) is usually the only issue.
>>
>> Pinouts we have in the past produced for OVMS OBDII cables:
>>
>> Pinout A (both left-hand and right-hand right-angled have been produced)
>>
>> J1962-M DB9-F Signal
>> 4 3 Chassis/Power GND
>> 6 7 CAN-H
>> 14 2 CAN-L
>> 16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
>>
>> J1962 end should be MALE plug with right angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.
>> Both ends should be enclosed in shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.
>>
>> Pinout B (left hand right-angle)
>>
>> J1962-M DB9-F Signal
>> 4 3 Chassis/Power GND
>> 13 7 CAN-H
>> 12 2 CAN-L
>> 16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
>>
>> J1962 end should be MALE plug with angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.
>> Both ends should be enclosed in shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.
>>
>> Pinout C (both left-hand and right-hand right-angled have been produced)
>>
>> J1962-M DB9-F Signal
>> 4 3 Chassis/Power GND
>> 6 7 CAN-H (primary CAN)
>> 14 2 CAN-L (primary CAN)
>> 13 5 CAN-H (alternate CAN)
>> 12 4 CAN-L (alternate CAN)
>> 16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
>>
>> J1962 end should be MALE plug with angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.
>> Both ends should be enclosed in shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.
>>
>> Pinout B was obsoleted in late 2016 and replaced with C. So, currently we have A and C variants.
>>
>> From my understanding, what you need is:
>>
>> Pinout D
>>
>> J1962-M DB9-F Signal
>> 4 3 Chassis/Power GND
>> 6 7 CAN-H (primary CAN)
>> 14 2 CAN-L (primary CAN)
>> 1 5 CAN-H (alternate CAN)
>> 9 4 CAN-L (alternate CAN)
>> 16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
>>
>> J1962 end should be MALE plug with angle cable. DB9 end should be FEMALE.
>> Both ends should be enclosed in shells, and cable should be 1metre in length.
>>
>> Would that be in a left or right hand orientation?
>>
>> Right: <PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
>>
>> Regards, Mark.
>>
>>> On 16 Jan 2018, at 1:39 AM, Geir Øyvind Vælidalo <geir at validalo.net <mailto:geir at validalo.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since we’re closing in on the release date, what should we do regarding the cable for the Kia Soul and Fiat 500e? I have yet to find anything really useful on the M-bus, but who knows what might come later.
>>> Jason, how about the Fiat 500e?
>>>
>>> Anyone know the pinouts for Hyundai Ioniq OBD2-port? Maybe it can use the same cable too? I couldn’t find the pinouts for that car anywhere…
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Geir
>>>
>>>
>>>> 13. des. 2017 kl. 01:53 skrev Mark Webb-Johnson <mark at openvehicles.com <mailto:mark at openvehicles.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> Relatively easy. I just give them pinouts, some money, and a week later a bunch of cables arrive.
>>>>
>>>> There is a minimum order quantity of 50 cables from the supplier, so it has to be justifiable.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps best to have a look at that M-can bus (with a hand-built cable), and see if there is anything on it that makes this worthwhile. You can find OBDII pigtails on AliExpress/eBay/Amazon that make this relatively simple (only need to solder the DB9 end).
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Mark.
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Dec 2017, at 4:09 AM, Geir Øyvind Vælidalo <geir at validalo.net <mailto:geir at validalo.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> We might need a special cable for the Kia Soul EV, as it has two CAN-buses on the diagnostic port and it doesn’t match the ODB2-cable nor the Nissan Leaf-cable.
>>>>> Then C-can uses the standard pins 6 and 14, but the M-can uses pins 1 (high) and 9 (low).
>>>>>
>>>>> The M-can should be mapped to CAN1_H (Pin 5 on DB9) and CAN1_L(Pin 4 on DB9):
>>>>>
>>>>> J1962-M DB9-F Signal
>>>>> 1 5 CAN-1H (M-can High)
>>>>> 4 3 Chassis/Power GND
>>>>> 6 7 CAN-0H (C-can high)
>>>>> 9 4 CAN-1L (M-can Low)
>>>>> 14 2 CAN-0L (C-can low)
>>>>> 16 9 +12V Vehicle Power
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t use the M-can at the moment, and I’m not sure I will, but if I do we might need to have a special cable made for the Soul EV.
>>>>> Is that something that is easy to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Geir
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